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WiseMan - Jun 15, 2003

		WiseMan	Jun 15, 2003
		ok, im about to undergo the region hack and 50/60hz switch mods to my PAL model 2 saturn. what i want to know is... when i switch my saturn to 60hz is it going to make the screen black & white like it does with my megadrive? will buying an a/v cable fix this? (with the megadrive aswell if you know) Lastly, can anyone recommend a good saturn mod chip supplier in regards to these requirements: PAL saturn Model 2 Must accept australian currency Direct Deposit preferred Can supply to australia via a registered form of postage :cheers

		Shakey Jake33	Jun 15, 2003
		Yes you will need an RGB or SCART lead. Who doesn't use those as standard now anyway?

mal

Jun 15, 2003

Originally posted by Shakey Jake33@Jun 16, 2003 @ 10:16 AM

Yes you will need an RGB or SCART lead. Who doesn't use those as standard now anyway?

Most of Australia AFAIK. I can't say that I've ever seen a TV that uses SCART.

You'll get black and white if you put an NTSC signal into a PAL only TV. AV leads won't change that.

Wiseman, I may be able to help you out with a mod.

		WiseMan	Jun 16, 2003
		My tv is of course, a PAL tv. BUT as all new tv's these days are it does NTSC as well. My DC does NTSC fine through the A/V. so whats the deal? mal i'll pm you bout the mod. thanks

		Shakey Jake33	Jun 16, 2003
		The Dreamcast displays in 60Hz PAL. I'm not too sure how it's different, but most modern DVD Players feature such an output mode also.

		WiseMan	Jun 16, 2003
		explanation for JAP and US games running colour?

		Shakey Jake33	Jun 16, 2003
		The Dreamcast must have some special output mode because I get the same thing. It also manages to output 60Hz on a standard RF lead, a technical impossibility.

		WiseMan	Jun 16, 2003
		technically, but isn't our DC more spiritual than technical? i really think this can be done. have u tried an a/v lead through a saturn running ntsc? what about US and JAP consoles plugged into PAL tvs that handle 60hz. they work and in colour. so again. what is the deal here

		Shakey Jake33	Jun 16, 2003
		I've tried both. I' m forced to use my Japanese Saturn and American CDX, both using SCART, in b/w, when my Dreamcat manages to run in 60Hz on the same TV... very annoying.

		Shakey Jake33	Jun 16, 2003
		I did some background research and I found out that RGB and SCART, tho they look the same, have slightly different pin-outs. You have to make sure you have a SCART lead with full RGB compatibility to make it work. RF won't cut it for RGB, and A/V leads only will on certain TV's. Mine being not one of those. Time to look for a SCART MegaDrive lead...

		antime	Jun 16, 2003
		I believe you're a bit confused. "Scart" is a type of connector which can carry RGB signals, among others. "RF" is what's used for television transmission, where both the picture and sound are transported on one wire.

		Shakey Jake33	Jun 16, 2003
		I was always under the impression that America uses RGB connectors as opposed to SCART connectors, which are similar but not the same. Hence a lot of SCART leads do not display an RGB display...

mal

Jun 16, 2003

Something that may be of interest...

Code:

SCART Connector

The Scart connector, also known as the Euroconnector or Peri-Television connector, is part of a system for connecting television receivers and other home entertainment equipment. A Scart connector has 21 pins which provide stereo audio and composite video in and out, RGB, two data lines and two control lines. A variation allows for seperate chrominance and luminance signals.

Code:
Pin Use 1 Audio output [R] 2 Audio input [R] 3 Audio output [L] 4 Audio ground 5 Blue ground 6 Audio input [L] 7 Blue 8 Status 9 Green ground 10 Data D2B (inverted) 11 Green 12 Data D2B 13 Red ground 14 D2B ground 15 Red 16 RGB Status / fast blinking 17 CVBS Video ground 18 RGB status 19 Composite video output 20 Composite video input 21 Case / shield

There are some notes as well, but I've done enough typing for now.

		Shakey Jake33	Jun 16, 2003
		Cheers for that one... now I know what those cheap SCART leads with only about 8 pins are missing Most SCART leads are actually home-made... would I be right to presume it's a simple procedure? Good luck finding a MegaDrive 2 SCART lead this side of Mars after all

ExCyber

Jun 16, 2003

I was always under the impression that America uses RGB connectors

We should be so lucky. Aside from the fact that almost no sets in America have RGB inputs, we get to use F-56 connectors... for RF and multiple RCA connectors... for damn near everything else. Aggregated connectors are virtually unheard of here outside of computers.

Curtis

Jun 16, 2003

Originally posted by mal@Jun 17, 2003 @ 08:30 PM

Something that may be of interest...

SCART Connector

The Scart connector, also known as the Euroconnector or Peri-...

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There are some notes as well, but I've done enough typing for now.

That's straight out of the Disk Smith catalogue, isn't it you thieving Arab!

		WiseMan	Jun 17, 2003
		this is stupid. there must be a way. my bloody playstation does colour ntsc aswell through the a/v. what in the hell is the point of even doing the mod if you cant get colour without scart shit. hmm... since gamesx.com are the gods of video knowledge i will ask them.

		antime	Jun 17, 2003
		If your display device can handle it, you'll get colours just fine using composite or S-video.

		WiseMan	Jun 17, 2003
		finally someone is talking sense. if gamesx.com bother to reply i'll post what they say.

		Arakon	Jun 17, 2003
		saturn and megadrive output an "illegal" signal when set to 60 hz.. it's not ntsc. the color carrier frequency is off, resulting in a b/w pic. only a RGB cable fixes that. and if your tv has a scart socket, get RGB cables for every system you can. the quality difference between AV and RGB is HUGE. better colors and a much sharper picture.