Originally posted by it290@Oct 1, 2004 @ 03:55 PM



1> I thought Kerry did quite well.  Bush didn't screw up quite as much as I had hoped for, but he still managed to sound like an idiot as usual.  However, he did manage to stick to his one piece of rhetoric pretty nicely ('Kerry is a flip-flopper', 'Wrong war, wrong time, right.. um I mean wrong place') etc... is that all it takes to win an election[question_mark]  I did like how he almost said the wrong thing several times and then corrected himself at the last minute (ie.. 'we want to foster a culture of fe... freedom'), and how he actually did say the wrong thing a couple times ('of course we're going after Saddam Hussein... I mean bin Laden').  Kind of painful to watch, but hopefully Kerry will be up a few points by the time the debates are over.




		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by President Bush



My concerns about the Senator is that, in the course of this campaign I've been listening very carefully to what he says, and he changes positions on the war on Iraq. It's a -- changes positions on something as ff -- fundamental as what you believe in your core, in your heart of hearts is right for -- in Iraq. I -- you cannot lead if you send mexed miss -- mixed messages.




		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Supergrom@Oct 1, 2004 @ 11:16 PM



did it bother anyone else that bush just kept saying the same thing? ("what does it say to the troops and our allies if we say this is the wrong war? we need to be resolute etc. etc." I tend to agree with him, but he stated it at least 5 times.)



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			And there is no maybe... whethere you are a democrat, independent, republican, etc. Bush statement is right. You cannot send mixed messages to the troops. It does not matter who is command.. things like that just can't be said.
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Lyzel@Oct 2, 2004 @ 02:11 AM



Typical bias opinion as always, it290. 



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 Whenever a soldier dies in Iraq, he uses that against Bush... Like he just wants the US to fail in Iraq.



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			He is an opportunist who changes his position depending on current events.
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by John Kerry



I'm fascinated by rap and hip-hop. I think there's a lot of poetry in it. There's a lot of anger, a lot of social energy in it. And I think you'd better listen to it pretty carefully, cause it's important.
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by it290@Oct 2, 2004 @ 01:46 AM



Lyzel, if by 'typical biased opinion', you mean typical of everyone, then yes, I agree... can anyone claim to have a truly unbiased opinion, espcially when it comes to matters like these?
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			Originally posted by it290@Oct 2, 2004 @ 03:56 PM



Uh, could you please explain what exactly is wrong with that comment, please?



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			Originally posted by it290@Oct 2, 2004 @ 06:46 AM



Lyzel, if by 'typical biased opinion', you mean typical of everyone, then yes, I agree... can anyone claim to have a truly unbiased opinion, espcially when it comes to matters like these?




		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			But do you honestly believe he wants the country to fail in Iraq?
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Did you even listen to his remarks[question_mark]  One of his main points was that the course Bush is pursuing is incorrect, and that he wants to alter our Iraq strategy to a more viable one.
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			And if you want to talk about using the soldiers for political gain, isn't that exactly what Bush has done[question_mark]   All his macho bullshit and cultivated image of 'toughness' aren't doing our soldiers any good.  Do you really think 'bring them on' is the kind of attitude that helps to keep the troops alive[question_mark]
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Bush is using Kerry's 'flip-flopping' as the basis for his whole campaign, and that seems to be the only issue most Republicans will immediately bring up - including yourself.
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			  Personally, I don't have a problem with a leader changing their mind after learning new information
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			But if his sins are so grevious, what do you think about



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			How can you see this as politics?? To me, all I see is the Comander in Chief giving a morale booster to our soldiers. You do not feel good when you say "Bring it On!"??
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Please don't use trash from a disgraceful news media to make your points
		
		

	

	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by ExCyber@Oct 3, 2004 @ 02:10 AM



The big problem is that the people he's saying "bring it on" to are not going to attack him, but rather the brave men and women who volunteered to fight for our country, as well as those Iraqis brave enough to support a democratic government. How is it a morale booster for our soldiers and civilian allies when Bush stands there half a world away and goads extremists into attacking them? Bush is not the troops. The troops need and deserve our support. Bush can live without it.