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new dc's cant boot utopia?

lasher88 - Dec 21, 2001

		lasher88	Dec 21, 2001
		hi, i just read in an older post thaT NEW DC'S cant boot utopia cd or other cd's like it? is this true?? how can you tel if a dc is from befor october 2000? (i want one for christmas and would get one used if that's the case thanks a lot for replies

		Cloud121	Dec 21, 2001
		http://www.dcemulation.com/article-supported.htm...

		Zero 9	Dec 21, 2001
		ALL Dreamcasts "work," you just need to reself boot the emulator.

MasterAkumaMatata

Dec 21, 2001

ALL Dreamcasts "work," you just need to reself boot the emulator.

Riiiiiiight. Exactly what is your definition of ALL Dreamcasts?

		Curtis	Dec 22, 2001
		The newer ones dont support CDR's, so as a result anyting burnt doesn't work (including boot discs). Only the very newer ones, though.

		Fabrizo	Dec 22, 2001
		Wasn't it that the protection only makes it so that the DC wont boot up the first track or sector of CD-R's?

		3rdman	Dec 22, 2001
		Sega, near the end of the Dreamcast's life, began making DC's that couldn't read CDRs. I've never come across one, though. I even just bought one and it boots up my Genny emulator just fine. I think I also read somewhere that these DC were only sold in Japan...but I could be wrong.

		VertigoXX	Dec 22, 2001
		Find yourself one of the Sega Sports edition ones (in the black case w/ NBA & NFL 2K or 2K1). Those work fine. Or find one in the old white and orange boxes. With either of those, you'll be able to boot your import of Shenmue 2.

		Gear	Dec 22, 2001
		The only ones which can`t read copies are the sakura ones, they doesn`t run cdrs with more than one session.

Zero 9

Dec 22, 2001

Quote: from MasterAkumaMatata on 12:38 am on Dec. 22, 2001

ALL Dreamcasts "work," you just need to reself boot the emulator.

Riiiiiiight. Exactly what is your definition of ALL Dreamcasts?

My definition is every #### one that can boot anything.

The new ones just have a protection that does not allow audio to be before the data. You can selfboot games using a selfboot method that puts the data track(s) before the audio (like gdroms).

		MasterAkumaMatata	Dec 22, 2001
		Would that include the one that Gear mentioned above?

		Zero 9	Dec 24, 2001
		hmm, that's kind of funny, and original games have 2 sessions as far as I know...

		ExCyber	Dec 24, 2001
		From what I remember of some of the vague GD-ROM tech crap that was floating around, official GD-ROMs have something like 4 or 5 sessions, with the layout looking something along the lines of: 1) Low-density session (readable by a standard CD-ROM reader, has been used e.g. for bonus desktop backgrounds) 2) Can't remember... 3) Dummy session (takes up unused space to optimize for CAV access) 4) High-density data session 5) CDDA tracks? My memory on this is pretty vague, but some of the stuff is probably still floating around out there somewhere...

		MasterAkumaMatata	Dec 24, 2001
		You must be referring to this diagram....

		ExCyber	Dec 25, 2001
		According to info earlier in that slideshow, there are only two sessions, and I was thinking of tracks. Still, there's no mention of the "dummy track" that I remember (and I know it was mentioned somewhere as I also remember a blurb saying that the mastering program generated it so as not to need a huge file containing nothing). Oh well.

		Gear	Dec 26, 2001
		you know, internet is full of crap

		ExCyber	Dec 27, 2001
		Sure, but ISTR this being an official source, such as one of the PDF files from the Katana SDK... just wish I really knew where it was from though.

		Curtis	Dec 29, 2001
		I just found this (while wasting time to see if I'm going to wina bid on a Nomad), and it seems that the new DC's can boot the Utopia Boot Disc. Heres how: http://cvforums.wolfnet.org/YaBB.cg....Haven't tried this myself (no need ) Have fun.

		Zero 9	Dec 29, 2001
		ahem, thanks for actually posting the instructions

		Curtis	Dec 29, 2001
		heh heh - I really must learn to read some time...I've heard it's a useful skill, no?