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racketboy - May 16, 2003

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		racketboy		May 16, 2003
			I was just thinking.... I've read a few recent articles about how Gamecube's sales haven't been real good lately. The XBox is out selling the GC in the US. In my opinion, the Gamecube has a better game selection. So do you think that the fact that people can hack, mod, and play copied games on the XBox significantly helped the XBox in sales? Even people who do have a modded XBox probably buy retail games for the system. But that fact that they can mod it helps in the decision (to some people) in which system to buy. Once the system is in their possesion, they may go out and buy games for it. Does this make sense? What do you all think?

		AntiPasta		May 16, 2003
			:agree yeah I think it matters a bit, but not much. The brink of the consumers are just parents buying consoles & games for their kids, and they don't care about hacking I think. For me the homebrewing matters a lot, heck I bought 2 PSX'es just because I wanted to program on them, and I would run to the store to get a GC the same moment I heard you could dev on a consumer machine

racketboy

May 16, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by AntiPasta@May 16, 2003 @ 05:51 PM



 :agree 



yeah I think it matters a bit, but not much. The brink of the consumers are just parents buying consoles & games for their kids, and they don't care about hacking I think. For me the homebrewing matters a lot, heck I bought 2 PSX'es just because I wanted to program on them, and I would run to the store to get a GC the same moment I heard you could dev on a consumer machine

I know the majority of the market doesn't have a clue, but their are enough modded systems out there for people to make a business of selling and/or installing chips.

		Zziggy00		May 16, 2003
			last time i heard figures 8% of the market was people pirateing (no idea if that is correct, but if so, then that really isn't a big factor)... I didn't buy xbox till it was hackable. the same will be with gamecube

		Pyrite		May 16, 2003
			Yes I agree most people buy consoles depending if they can be modded or not. There are alot of people that would like Nintendo to quit the console hardware and do games for the other consoles like the PS2 to me this makes no sense unless for them to be able to copy Nintendo games . What helped also X Box and PS2 to sell were the adult games like GTA games and the cheesy voleyball games.

		ratfish		May 16, 2003
			That's definately true for me. When I was deciding which system to buy, I really wanted to XBox just for PDO and the fact that it could play full sized CDs, whereas regular CDRs dont fit in the Cube. I ended up getting the cube anyways because I had more faith in it than the XBox, and all of the nice games of course. (Maybe Nintendo fanboyism mixed in too).

		googlefest1		May 16, 2003
			i dissagree -- i travel around to many gameing stores in my state building up my collection and most peoples opinion that i talk to in the stores think game cubes selection of games stinks (except for a few ) and they feel that doesnt warent spending the money (even when game stop was selling the system for 70$ -- i was gonna buy one then but took a long look at thier selection also that it does not play dvds also most people ive talked to had no idea the systems could be modded ( i never mention how easy it is to mod the xbox - just ps2) -- personaly i was suprised at how many people dont know the systems can be modded - ive learned to stop talking about that -- there was a higher percentage of people that knew about modding at the video stores renting games though i buy games every week and i see many many people buying also

		racketboy		May 16, 2003
			GC's game selection might not be great yet, but their are many upcoming titles looking good -- Viewtiful Joe, anyone? XBox has a very limited selection IMO unless you're only into FPSs and Sports. I don't think that many people, including me, care if they systems can play DVDs. Divx maybe People did care when the PS2 and DC were out since most people didn't have DVD players yet. Now, most people do and don't need their consoles to play them.

		VertigoXX		May 16, 2003
			I bougt my Xbox first BECAUSE there are mod chips out there for it. I still haven't gotten a chip, though. But I have since bought my GameCube. I have about an even number of games for both systems, but play the Cube more. Why? The Wavebird makes playing much easier in my room setup. I don't have to run the controller wire through furnature to keep it from getting between my eyes and the TV. That's about it. Once I get a chip, I'll probably play the Xbox more, but mostly trying out homebrew software and media players and stuff like that. The fact remains that I spend more time here talking about video games than what I do playing them anymore.

		Pearl Jammzz		May 16, 2003
			I think the reason XBox is selling good is cuz it's liek the PS2, "I have an XBox therefore I am cool!" I bet a good 50+ percent of the ppl who buy the systems and shit are just casual gamers...you like tony hawk games, and shit like that. a few FPS's and adult games and they are set. Nintendo's games take a lot....they aren't cheap pieces of shit. Nintendo makes games for gamers...therefore most gamers I know have one....and a PS2 cuz of the rpgs. They are waiting on getting an xbox till there are games they really want and can easily download.....that's why I bought my XBox, to play oldschool games in my room on my TV and to play stuff like PDO...think about it, how many "must have" games does xbox have? hardly any, maybe 1-2. PDO....that's about it. the GCN has many (metriod, zelda, mario, mario kart(soon), eternal darkness, etc.)

racketboy

May 16, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by VertigoXX@May 16, 2003 @ 09:22 PM



 The fact remains that I spend more time here talking about video games than what I do playing them anymore.

I can second that

		racketboy		May 16, 2003
			so if you were the head of Sega's new "Dreamcast 2" development department, would you want to make it impossible to hack or not? I wouldn't make it like the DC was (no mod chip needed) though.

		Funkstar De Luxe		May 16, 2003
			I highly doubt that people would pay $200 just to be "cool". People do however make there decisions on systems by whether or not that can swap games with their friends etc/ The reason the Gamecube is dying is because, well... is just not got a good enough selection of games. Don't get me wrong, I own a fully region modded 'cube with about twenty games, but I never play it. There just isn't that "one more go" factor to any of it games. Even Zeld feels more like a job than a game. Also, very, very few people know about hacking systems, let alone make there decisions on it. I'd say that the hacking sales factor doesn't, in reality, exist. Off to play RE2 on Dreamcast

racketboy

May 16, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by Zziggy00@May 16, 2003 @ 06:28 PM



 last time i heard figures 8% of the market was people pirateing (no idea if that is correct, but if so, then that really isn't a big factor)...



I didn't buy xbox till it was hackable. the same will be with gamecube

I think XBox is above the norm of hacked percentage.

The target audience of the system is techy people.

Plus XBox is very popular for modding because of it's homebrew ablitilies (cheap PC alternative)

gameboy900

May 16, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by racketboy+May 16, 2003 @ 04:34 PM-->QUOTE(racketboy @ May 16, 2003 @ 04:34 PM)