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Debate: Ripping SPEEDS!
Jaded God - Aug 19, 2003
  Jaded God Aug 19, 2003
Ok... So me and rabbit are in an argument.

We are talking about dvdrw drives and he starts talking about cdrw drives too..

Rabbit states that rip speed doesn't matter and only the burn speed matters.

Please set this Rabbit straight, :lol:

 Scared0o0Rabbit Aug 19, 2003
Keeping in mind that I've been burning since I got my 2x burner back in the day. Please don't just say it matters or not, let's hear your proof lol.

edit: my brain is faster than my fingers (which says a lot), corrections to sentences to reflect said problem.

 ExCyber Aug 19, 2003
As long as your software/firmware is actually checking for read errors, you should be able to rip at whatever speed allows correct reading. Ideally the software should automatically drop to a slower speed and retry the read when there is a high error rate. This works because CDs contain error correction/detection data (in fact this is a large portion of the disc's raw data) that can be used to check if a read was correct and sometimes to reconstruct the correct data if only a few bits are off (fundamentally it's the same technique as used by PAR files and RAID 5 arrays).

Now as to whether or not it matters at all, it does - higher speeds are more likely to run into errors and require a retry/drop to a slower speed. However, it has no effect on the readability of the produced copy unless your software and/or firmware are broken.

 racketboy Aug 19, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by ExCyber@Aug 20, 2003 @ 02:14 AM



 As long as your software/firmware is actually checking for read errors, you should be able to rip at whatever speed allows correct reading. Ideally the software should automatically drop to a slower speed and retry the read when there is a high error rate. This works because CDs contain error correction/detection data (in fact this is a large portion of the disc's raw data) that can be used to check if a read was correct and sometimes to reconstruct the correct data if only a few bits are off (fundamentally it's the same technique as used by PAR files and RAID 5 arrays).



Now as to whether or not it matters at all, it does - higher speeds are more likely to run into errors and require a retry/drop to a slower speed. However, it has no effect on the readability of the produced copy unless your software and/or firmware are broken.


well put

 Gallstaff Aug 19, 2003
Agreed, couldn't have said it better myself.

 Jaded God Aug 19, 2003
BAM! Exactly what I think... There you go Rabbit... I told you.

Getting all mad and going all out on AIM over this to me. Saying he doesn't care and he would just buy a new ps2... Why would you want to if you could just prevent it??? :huh

 Tindo@heart Aug 20, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Jaded God@Aug 19, 2003 @ 06:14 PM



 Ok... So me and rabbit are in an argument.



We are talking about dvdrw drives and he starts talking about cdrw drives too..



Rabbit states that rip speed doesn't matter and only the burn speed matters.



Please set this Rabbit straight, :lol:


:lol: I'm confused.

you said "Rabbit states that rip speed doesn't matter and only the burn speed matters."

and Excyber and everyone says "you should be able to rip at whatever speed allows correct reading."

... So? Rabbit is correct in thinking rip speed doesn't matter?

 Scared0o0Rabbit Aug 20, 2003
lol, I hate to say I told you so... but... ^_~

 Pearl Jammzz Aug 20, 2003
haha, jaded.... I am confused tooooo

 IBarracudaI Aug 20, 2003
lol, As Excyber said if the software/firmware works properly even when you set a high ripping speed the cdrom/dvdrom drive should slow down the reading speed if it finds some "harder to read" areas.. like scratches or somethings..

So.. ripping speed may affect, but as long as your cdrom is smart there should be no problems..

As for burning process the speed is somewhat more relevant.. we all know what happens with segacd iso's when they're burned at light-speed but thats because of the cdrom drive.. lol

 Zero 9 Aug 20, 2003
Most new cd burners seem to adjust the speed to whatever it can do without errors, so writing speed also will not effect your final result. :huh

 IBarracudaI Aug 20, 2003
then... what's the conclusion? lol

 Jaded God Aug 20, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Now as to whether or not it matters at all, it does - higher speeds are more likely to run into errors and require a retry/drop to a slower speed. However, it has no effect on the readability of the produced copy unless your software and/or firmware are broken.


You guys can't read or what? No rabbit incorrect.

 Scared0o0Rabbit Aug 20, 2003
I think you've been proven wrong on several counts jaded, either that or your logic is flawed lol.

 Jaded God Aug 20, 2003
Read the last part of what ExCyber said, tard. <_<

 Nadius Aug 21, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by ExCyber@Aug 20, 2003 @ 12:14 AM



 Now as to whether or not it matters at all, it does - higher speeds are more likely to run into errors and require a retry/drop to a slower speed. However, it has no effect on the readability of the produced copy unless your software and/or firmware are broken.


....soooo technically, ripping speed matters... but realistically, what you set the speed at doesn't matter as long as the cdrom and burning app can handle it... that's what i got....

i guess you guys have to give a better definition of what you two were arguing about.

 Tindo@heart Aug 21, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Jaded God+Aug 21, 2003 @ 12:54 AM-->
QUOTE(Jaded God @ Aug 21, 2003 @ 12:54 AM)
 Read the last part of what ExCyber said, tard. <_< [/b]