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		CrazyGoon		Feb 27, 2003
			Here's an interesting snippet http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&nci...dc&si... Similar thing happened to lik sang, no?

		mtxblau		Feb 27, 2003
			That's interesting... the U.S. Justice Dept. is now getting into the act. It's not similar to Lik-Sang in that private corporations shut them (a business) down, and had them stop selling mods, but a government agency? I wonder what kind of jurisdiction they have on the internet... This is that grey, undefined area.

		googlefest1		Feb 27, 2003
			well i gues if you want mods -- better stock up now - cause constitutional rights are going down the toilet fast

		antime		Feb 27, 2003
			It's also different in that in the Lik-Sang case they were after them as sellers and distributors of modchips but in this case I get the feeling the modchips were only used as a pretext to shut the site down. The site was far more important as a central info repository for pirates than as a seller of modchips. According to posts in the Slashdot thread... on the subject, the DEA has started taking over sites selling bongs and similar stuff. googlefest1, which of your constitutional rights have been violated by this? Remember that the Xbox chips include Microsoft's BIOS which they do have the right to protect. (The exception being the Linux project's Cromwell BIOS which can't boot copied games.) Anyway, iSONEWS lives on for now at this address....

		googlefest1		Feb 27, 2003
			actualy i probably refered to the constitution in error what i was refering to was the right to make a legal copy of your movie, software, etc . so that you can store you originals some people actualy do that you know - i do that (but i usualy wait till you cant easily buy it anymore) (example all my favorite pc software i have i make a back up and then a back up - so if the back up goes bad then i have the other back up to make another backup so i have no need to break out the original--- same thing with my audio cds some of which cost more than 200$ so those i keep in a case and use only back ups -- same with the old game systems

ExCyber

Feb 27, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Remember that the Xbox chips include Microsoft's BIOS which they do have the right to protect. (The exception being the Linux project's Cromwell BIOS which can't boot copied games.)

The "Enigmah" chips Rocci was prosecuted for selling are not capable of containing a Microsoft BIOS; they work like a Game Genie and patch the relevant routines in the boot ROM as it's being read.

	
	
		
		
			what i was refering to was the right to make a legal copy of your movie, software, etc. so that you can store you originals

Strictly speaking, this is not a right, but an exception to certain parts of copyright law. In any case, you're far from alone in being concerned that Chapter 12 makes it irrelevant.

antime

Feb 27, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by ExCyber@Feb 27, 2003 @ 07:15 PM



 The "Enigmah" chips Rocci was prosecuted for selling are not capable of containing a Microsoft BIOS; they work like a Game Genie and patch the relevant routines in the boot ROM as it's being read.

Thank you for the correction, I didn't know that.

Jurai

Feb 27, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by antime@Feb 27, 2003 @ 11:50 AM



 It's also different in that in the Lik-Sang case they were after them as sellers and distributors of modchips but in this case I get the feeling the modchips were only used as a pretext to shut the site down. The site was far more important as a central info repository for pirates than as a seller of modchips.



According to posts in the Slashdot thread... on the subject, the DEA has started taking over sites selling bongs and similar stuff.



googlefest1, which of your constitutional rights have been violated by this? Remember that the Xbox chips include Microsoft's BIOS which they do have the right to protect. (The exception being the Linux project's Cromwell BIOS which can't boot copied games.)



Anyway, iSONEWS lives on for now at this address....

isonews isnt a central repository for pirates, its a repository for lamers who have no access in the scene

Jurai

Feb 27, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by googlefest1@Feb 27, 2003 @ 12:04 PM



 actualy i probably refered to the constitution in error 



what i was refering to was the right to make a legal copy of your movie, software, etc . so that you can store you originals 



some people actualy do that you know - i do that (but i usualy wait till you cant easily buy it anymore) (example all my favorite pc software i have i make a back up and then a back up - so if the back up goes bad then i have the other back up to make another backup so i have no need to break out the original--- same thing with my audio cds some of which cost more than 200$ so those i keep in a case and use only back ups -- same with the old game systems

people who think they have that right are so dumb

		googlefest1		Feb 27, 2003
			thank you jurai for being so smart and letting all of us know about our ignorance with out offering any suport as to why we are all so dumb

mtxblau

Feb 27, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by googlefest1@Feb 26, 2003 @ 10:05 PM



 thank you jurai for being so smart and letting all of us know about our ignorance with out offering any suport as to why we are all so dumb

Unfortunately, it's not the first time.

But, wherever you go, you'll always find one of 'em.

		Zziggy00		Feb 27, 2003
			here's a quick question...excuse my lack of knowing a logical answer, but why are newsgroups still up and going strong?? I'd think if the government wanted to hit piracy strong that would be there first avenue.

		Gallstaff		Feb 27, 2003
			I think cause you have to pay for em or something.

antime

Feb 27, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by Zziggy00@Feb 27, 2003 @ 09:56 PM



 here's a quick question...excuse my lack of knowing a logical answer, but why are newsgroups still up and going strong??

Do you mean Usenet?

		racketboy		Feb 27, 2003
			today I've seen a couple more "scene" sites gone down... some new, some old same problem.....?

racketboy

Feb 27, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by racketboy@Feb 27, 2003 @ 08:46 PM



 today I've seen a couple more "scene" sites gone down...



some new, some old



same problem.....?

been looking on other boards and theory's are that other sites are taking their board down to "hide and take cover"

		Zziggy00		Feb 27, 2003
			yeah i wouldn't doubt it, good thing Ice hasn't been selling modchips and antime: Not all of usenet but why haven't all the alt.binaries groups been attacked, or have they and no one ever hears about it...

		antime		Feb 28, 2003
			Fewer and fewer servers carry binary groups, so that problem is taking care of itself. It's also infeasible to kill parts of a distributed, international network. Even if you forced all US ISPs to drop them, they'd still be going outside the US.

		antime		Apr 9, 2003
			Update: the owner/operator of Isonews was convicted....

		Curtis		Apr 9, 2003
			Hmm...that's a bit harsh. Glad I live in Australia. A quick question: Can you still be prosecuted under the DCMA if the chip you sell contains no copyrighted code? For example, it is preflashed with the cromwell bios.

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