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Rynex - Nov 19, 2003

		Rynex		Nov 19, 2003
			I've got a promblem. I've been using the 'swap-disc' technique since yesterday and I think I've got it down. But it seems that I've been making a lot of coasters seeing as a good few games I've burned don't work, despite the cue sheets I generated. Am I missing something (possibly a custom pregap point)? I have Dragon Force, Dracula X and Sega Touring Car Championship burned, but they all hang on the black 'SEGA' screen. Any ideas?

		ExCyber		Nov 19, 2003
			There are two possibilities that come to mind for me: 1) You're doing a single-swap, and the TOC differences are killing it. Do a double swap. 2) You're doing the original->CD-R swap during/after the bootstrap code read, and the games that work have the same bootloader as the one you're swapping with (this isn't particularly likely, but it's not so far-fetched). The original->CD-R swap should be done just after the laser starts moving back from the outer ring. If you're not sure what I'm talking about, listen to an original boot up. There are two long (3/4ths of a second or so) laser moves roughly 3-5 seconds apart - the first is when the laser moves out to check the security ring, and the second is when it is finished and goes back to boot the game.

		Rynex		Nov 19, 2003
			1) I have been doing the double-swap, actually and... 2) I've been pretty mindful of this, so I don't particularly think it's my timing (although I could be wrong...) I've been doing it like this: CD-R->(while laser is moving to bootsector)original->(just before the laser gets back to the center of the disc)CD-R Here are my cue sheets (if it makes any difference): FILE "DraculaX.iso" BINARY TRACK 01 MODE1/2048 INDEX 01 00:00:00 POSTGAP 00:02:00 FILE "track2.wav" WAVE TRACK 02 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 INDEX 01 00:00:00 ------------------------------ FILE "dforce.iso" BINARY TRACK 01 MODE1/2048 INDEX 01 00:00:00 POSTGAP 00:02:00 FILE "Track_2.wav" WAVE TRACK 02 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 INDEX 01 00:00:00 ------------------------------ FILE "STCC T01 Mode1 2048.iso" BINARY TRACK 01 MODE1/2048 INDEX 01 00:00:00 POSTGAP 00:02:00 FILE "STCC T02 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 02 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T03 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 03 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T04 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 04 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T05 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 05 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T06 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 06 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T07 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 07 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T08 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 08 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T09 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 09 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T10 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 10 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T11 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 11 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T12 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 12 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T13 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 13 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T14 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 14 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T15 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 15 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T16 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 16 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T17 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 17 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T18 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 18 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "STCC T19 Audio 2352.mp3" MP3 TRACK 19 AUDIO INDEX 01 00:00:00

ExCyber

Nov 19, 2003

	
	
		
		
			original->(just before the laser gets back to the center of the disc)CD-R

I may be misinterpreting this, but that sounds like it might be slightly late. Some Saturn models are pickier than others about the timing. If it was a lot of work to get the timing right, you might want to try spinning the disc up manually when you swap the CD-R back in...

		IBarracudaI		Nov 19, 2003
			Humm.... 1- Power ON your saturn with the cdr inside.. 2- When the cdr completely stops already on cdplayer, swap for the original. 3- Press RESET, let saturn read the security ring from the original, then swap for the copy.. just like double-swap's 2nd swap. I think this method doesn't require a so strict timing on the last swap.

		Scared0o0Rabbit		Nov 21, 2003
			Nevermind

Rynex

Nov 21, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by IBarracudaI@Nov 19, 2003 @ 08:33 AM



 Humm....



1- Power ON your saturn with the cdr inside..



2- When the cdr completely stops already on cdplayer, swap for the original.



3- Press RESET, let saturn read the security ring from the original, then swap for the copy.. just like double-swap's 2nd swap.



I think this method doesn't require a so strict timing on the last swap.

Do you have a model 1 because that is SO not working on my model 2

		IBarracudaI		Nov 21, 2003
			this works on both models... I usually recommend this for model2's... I've used that when I swapped on my m2.

ExCyber

Nov 22, 2003

	
	
		
		
			this works on both models

There are more than two models, and some of them are a huge pain in the ass to swap on. A friend of mine has such a beast, and it took him the better part of an evening to even get a single success. He has the timing down now though...

And yes, it does require that the disc be spun up manually to stay in the timing window. It's all in the wrist.

		IBarracudaI		Nov 23, 2003
			yes I know that, those later saturns with sanyo cdboards are a pain.... even considering only those, I think there are differences.. I've got some friends with sanyo cdboard saturns and they can swap... I have one of those and i've tried for ages and I just can't get a game to boot... as soon as I lift a cd, it falls to the cdplayer in less than 1/2sec

HunterX

Nov 24, 2003

	
	
		
		
			1- Power ON your saturn with the cdr inside..



2- When the cdr completely stops already on cdplayer, swap for the original.



3- Press RESET, let saturn read the security ring from the original, then swap for the copy.. just like double-swap's 2nd swap.

you fucking rock ..i've been trying to do a double swap on my model 2 21/32 all night long (chips not hear for a few days)...just tried this and first time worked

		IBarracudaI		Nov 24, 2003
			Nice to hear that Rynex is having probs though...

		Rynex		Nov 30, 2003
			:agree It's all good, though... It seems it'll be easier for me to just save up hundreds of dollars and just hunt down those damn-near-impossible-to-find gems! Saturn game burning has officially wned me

		mal		Nov 30, 2003
			It's really not that hard.

CrazyGoon

Dec 1, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by Rynex@Nov 30, 2003 @ 11:12 PM



 It seems it'll be easier for me to just save up hundreds of dollars and just hunt down those damn-near-impossible-to-find gems!

Hahahaha

You make no sense

		IBarracudaI		Dec 1, 2003
			indeed

Rynex

Dec 1, 2003

	
	
		
		
			Originally posted by mal@Nov 30, 2003 @ 11:22 PM



 It's really not that hard.

I'm pretty sure it isn't... I just don't have the time to dedicate to finding out and correcting what I'm doing wrong