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Dud - Feb 6, 2005
  Dud Feb 6, 2005
Does anyone have a graph or a chart that explains all these genres of music? For example, what the fuck is the difference between Electro and Techno. What I really need is something visual that shows what are subgenres, what evolved from what etc... I didn't have any luck with Google. Thanks to anyone who can help.

 it290 Feb 6, 2005
I don't have a chart, but when you think electro, think bumpin', booty-bass style, or some of the more 80's stuff like Kraftwerk and so on. The classic electro beat would be something like 'buh-bu-bu-bu-BUH' vs. the classic 'boomchick boomchick boomchik boomchick' of techno. Techno itself encompasses a fairly wide range of styles, for example classic Detroit techno (slower, almost house-ier sound) to Berlin techno (harder, more bangin'), minimal, acid (303 sounds), etc. There are a lot of different genres and subgenres in electronic music, but it's hard to describe some of them without having you listen to stuff, and aside from that, a lot of times its hard to categorize something in one genre or another. I would advise you not to worry about it too much.

However, if you want to hear some of the differences, I would advise you to listen to some of the Digitally Imported net radio stations, as they seperate them by genre. They have several different trance styles, as well as hardcore and oldskool. For electro, check out Electro Radio, although they don't play pure electro all the time. For house, I recommend Housemusique, and for psytrance/goa, Philosomatika is a great station. I don't know of any stations that play pure, unfiltered techno all the time (unfortunately), but I can send you some good mix sets if you're interested.

Also, keep in mind that the labels can sometimes be confusing - for example, what people in the US call 'hardcore' is totally different from what people in the UK generally refer to as 'hardcore'. Also, many people refer to electronic music in general as 'techno', when in reality techno is its own genre, as I mentioned above.

 it290 Feb 6, 2005
Ok... one more post. As far as the evolution of different genres, you can basically take disco as a starting point. From that you have a few branching outs, such as Chicago house, oldskool/hardcore techno, acid house, electro, and Detroit techno. From there you can move on to different styles like:

hardcore-->dnb/jungle

house--->garage

hardcore-->hard trance,berlin techno, gabber

trance--->progressive trance,psytrance

electro-->electroclash, etc

brian eno etc-->ambient

Keep in mind this is just an interpretation, and of course depending on the music you're listening to, influences can be from all over the place. I'd like to think electronic music has moved beyond the point where such genre labels are really all that necessary, but they're still useful for DJs.

 Pyrite Feb 7, 2005
For electro try listening to some Westbam tunes.

 Dud Feb 7, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by it290+Sun, 2005-02-06 @ 05:26 PM-->
QUOTE(it290 @ Sun, 2005-02-06 @ 05:26 PM)
I don't have a chart, but when you think electro, think bumpin', booty-bass style, or some of the more 80's stuff like Kraftwerk and so on.  The classic electro beat would be something like 'buh-bu-bu-bu-BUH' vs. the classic 'boomchick boomchick boomchik boomchick' of techno. Techno itself encompasses a fairly wide range of styles, for example classic Detroit techno (slower, almost house-ier sound) to Berlin techno (harder, more bangin'), minimal, acid (303 sounds), etc. There are a lot of different genres and subgenres in electronic music, but it's hard to describe some of them without having you listen to stuff, and aside from that, a lot of times its hard to categorize something in one genre or another. I would advise you not to worry about it too much.



However, if you want to hear some of the differences, I would advise you to listen to some of the Digitally Imported net radio stations, as they seperate them by genre. They have several different trance styles, as well as hardcore and oldskool. For electro, check out Electro Radio, although they don't play pure electro all the time. For house, I recommend Housemusique, and for psytrance/goa, Philosomatika is a great station. I don't know of any stations that play pure, unfiltered techno all the time (unfortunately), but I can send you some good mix sets if you're interested.



Also, keep in mind that the labels can sometimes be confusing - for example, what people in the US call 'hardcore' is totally different from what people in the UK generally refer to as 'hardcore'. Also, many people refer to electronic music in general as 'techno', when in reality techno is its own genre, as I mentioned above.




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			Originally posted by it290@Sun, 2005-02-06 @ 05:34 PM



Ok... one more post. As far as the evolution of different genres, you can basically take disco as a starting point. From that you have a few branching outs, such as Chicago house, oldskool/hardcore techno, acid house, electro, and Detroit techno. From there you can move on to different styles like:



hardcore-->dnb/jungle 



house--->garage



hardcore-->hard trance,berlin techno, gabber



trance--->progressive trance,psytrance



electro-->electroclash, etc



brian eno etc-->ambient



Keep in mind this is just an interpretation, and of course depending on the music you're listening to, influences can be from all over the place. I'd like to think electronic music has moved beyond the point where such genre labels are really all that necessary, but they're still useful for DJs.




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That helps quite a bit, thanks.

dnb/jungle

house--->garage

hardcore-->hard trance,berlin techno, gabber

trance--->progressive trance,psytrance

electro-->electroclash, etc

brian eno etc-->ambient

Keep in mind this is just an interpretation, and of course depending on the music you're listening to, influences can be from all over the place.  I'd like to think electronic music has moved beyond the point where such genre labels are really all that necessary, but they're still useful for DJs.

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I think that Karlheinz Stockhausen (spelling) and the second vienese school of serialism are the roots of all of todays Electronic music. Stockhausen's stuff is really bizzare and amazing for the late 40's/Early 50's. Ill see if i can dig up some of his woerd "phasing tape loop", but if you want wierd then you chould check out Map 1 and Map 2. Basically it is a big square film of magnetised tape and you run a tape head over the surface and create your own music!

On a side note, genre calssification is REALLY tuff and within Musicological circles it is still the center of much debate. A good starting point is to analyse the rythm of the songs, but sometimes genre classification relys heavily on the para-musical i.e. culture etc. Dr Phillip Tag's work on semiotic analysis and genre classification is a really good starting point. Also do a search for Dr. Martin Clunin he is from the University of Glasgow.

Dr Gary Tamlyn has also written some real good stuff on genre classification especially when it comes to early electronica (minimalism etc)
 Runik Feb 7, 2005
I like VNV Nation, but I'm more into Hybrid right now ... blending electro stuff with classical intruments is a must hear

For those interested, there's a website named Hybridised... gathering all their livesets, and they've expanded to lot more artists (including Way Out West, NuBreed, Benz & MD, Grayarea, Digital Witchcraft etc ...)

Hybrid website is there...

 it290 Feb 7, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			I think that Karlheinz Stockhausen (spelling) and the second vienese school of serialism are the roots of all of todays Electronic music. Stockhausen's stuff is really bizzare and amazing for the late 40's/Early 50's. Ill see if i can dig up some of his woerd "phasing tape loop", but if you want wierd then you chould check out Map 1 and Map 2. Basically it is a big square film of magnetised tape and you run a tape head over the surface and create your own music!


Yes, you make a good point there. Personally, I don't really trace much electronic music back to disco, either (with the exception of house)... I just put that there because a lot of people see it as such. Of course, there were a lot of other early influences - the above mentioned Brian Eno, people like Kraftwerk themselves, the Serialists, bands like Throbbing Gristle and the like, and some composers like Vangelis and Philip Glass... and don't forget John Cage (is he considered a serialst?). For me, the origin of techno music can be traced back to the Roland Corporation.

 Runik Feb 7, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by it290@Mon, 2005-02-07 @ 08:12 PM



For me, the origin of techno music can be traced back to the Roland Corporation. 




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Roland TB 303 ... :yum

 Berty Feb 8, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by it290@Mon, 2005-02-07 @ 01:12 PM



Yes, you make a good point there. Personally, I don't really trace much electronic music back to disco, either (with the exception of house)... I just put that there because a lot of people see it as such. Of course, there were a lot of other early influences - the above mentioned Brian Eno, people like Kraftwerk themselves, the Serialists, bands like Throbbing Gristle and the like, and some composers like Vangelis and Philip Glass... and don't forget John Cage (is he considered a serialst?). For me, the origin of techno music can be traced back to the Roland Corporation. 




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What about Moog? I keep on forgetting the name of this lady/man/transvestite who did a whole lot of synth stuff in the sixites. She was originally a man but then later changed . I wish that i could remeber her name or even his name

 lordofduct Feb 8, 2005
Robert A. Moog (pronounced like Rogue)???

is this who you are talking about. I didn't know he was a transexual... but yeah this guy built synthesizers back as early as 61' and did a lot of synth music, remeniscent of classical music. Never really was main stream though.

 vnvx Apr 17, 2007
http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html... might help you. It's like a giant musical chart with samples. Covers everything from JPop and Italo Disco to Dark Wave and Ambient.