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SamIAm - Oct 3, 2004

		SamIAm	Oct 3, 2004
		I recently dowloaded a backup (bin/cue) of Keio Flying Squadron 2 for the Saturn, but there is an obvious problem with it. The entire soundtrack is in CD audio (redbook?), and each song actually begins 2 seconds before its track does. In other words, when repeating a single track, the first two seconds of the next tune are always at the end before it loops back, and when starting any track, the first two seconds are missing. I'm guessing the problem is with the cuesheet. My simple question: should I get rid of the 2 second pre-gap between the data track and the audio tracks, or should I subtract two seconds from the starting point of each individual track? I would guess the second solution is the right one, but I could be wrong. What about doing both?

		lordofduct	Oct 3, 2004
		its your second one... place a two second pregap before each audio track. you NEED that 2 second gap between the data and audio tracks... dont mess with it.

		SamIAm	Oct 3, 2004
		Originally posted by lordofduct+Oct 3, 2004 @ 04:05 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lordofduct @ Oct 3, 2004 @ 04:05 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>its your second one... place a two second pregap before each audio track. you NEED that 2 second gap between the data and audio tracks... dont mess with it. [post=120354]Quoted post[/post] [/b] Thank you for your reply. I suspected as much about the pre-gap in between the data and audio tracks. However, I'm still a little curious about something. You'll have to pardon my lack of knowledge in this area. Would inserting pre-gaps really offset the start of each track to the proper place? The name kind of suggests that it would merely put a 2 second space in between each track. Right now, when one tune starts at the last two seconds of the track, it goes into the next one seamlessly. So if I listen to all tracks in a row with a normal CD player, everything sounds normal. Oh yeah, and while I'm thinking about it, what is the difference between a pre-gap and a post-gap? Could one be substituted for the other? Finally, if your recommendation is what I should go with, please tell me if this is the right way to insert the pregaps: <!--QuoteBegin-c uesheet FILE "Keio_Flying_Squadron_2.BIN" BINARY   TRACK 01 MODE1/2352     INDEX 01 00:00:00   TRACK 02 AUDIO     PREGAP 00:02:00     INDEX 01 15:29:44   TRACK 03 AUDIO     <span style='color:yellow'>PREGAP 00:02:00     INDEX 01 17:24:67   TRACK 04 AUDIO     INDEX 01 19:22:35     PREGAP 00:02:00</span> etc etc.[/quote] Thanks again!

		lordofduct	Oct 3, 2004
		Hrmmm, actually i see what the prob may be... try writing the cue like this... note the mode 1/2048     Originally posted by cuesheet FILE "Keio_Flying_Squadron_2.BIN" BINARY   TRACK 01 MODE1/2048     INDEX 01 00:00:00     <span style='color:yellow'>POSTGAP 00:02:00   TRACK 02 AUDIO     INDEX 01 15:29:44   TRACK 03 AUDIO     INDEX 01 17:24:67   TRACK 04 AUDIO     INDEX 01 19:22:35</span> dont put any pregaps in the rest of the audio tracks, and take others advice (although ive never came across the prob) and burn it at a low speed like 1X or 2X. I believe its spreading the data track to far out on the cd and the game is pulling from the wrong sector.

		MasterAkumaMatata	Oct 4, 2004
		lordofduct: Your suggested cuesheet seems like it's for a mixed mode cooked ISO image where the data track and audio track(s) are in separate files. I think SamIAm is referring to a mixed mode raw BIN+CUE image where the data track and audio track(s) are in one BIN file. AFAIK, there are no POSTGAPs in mixed mode images where the data and audio tracks are in one BIN file, only a 2 second PREGAP usually found on the first audio track. SamIAm: Why don't you post your original cuesheet and we can go from there?

		SamIAm	Oct 4, 2004
		You got it. You're right about the file, it is a BIN/CUE image. I've also checked as precisely as I can with a normal CD player, and it does indeed appear that every track is off by exactly 2 seconds in the manner I described above.     FILE "KEIO_FLYING_SQUADRON_2_(E).BIN" BINARY TRACK 01 MODE1/2352 INDEX 01 00:00:00 TRACK 02 AUDIO PREGAP 00:02:00 INDEX 01 15:29:44 TRACK 03 AUDIO INDEX 01 17:24:67 TRACK 04 AUDIO INDEX 01 19:22:35 TRACK 05 AUDIO INDEX 01 22:14:63 TRACK 06 AUDIO INDEX 01 23:47:39 TRACK 07 AUDIO INDEX 01 25:11:55 TRACK 08 AUDIO INDEX 01 27:16:64 TRACK 09 AUDIO INDEX 01 29:24:42 TRACK 10 AUDIO INDEX 01 31:05:51 TRACK 11 AUDIO INDEX 01 33:30:74 TRACK 12 AUDIO INDEX 01 35:54:49 TRACK 13 AUDIO INDEX 01 39:06:66 TRACK 14 AUDIO INDEX 01 40:24:50 TRACK 15 AUDIO INDEX 01 42:34:03 TRACK 16 AUDIO INDEX 01 44:20:15 TRACK 17 AUDIO INDEX 01 45:32:12 TRACK 18 AUDIO INDEX 01 45:39:33 TRACK 19 AUDIO INDEX 01 46:11:44 TRACK 20 AUDIO INDEX 01 46:43:55 TRACK 21 AUDIO INDEX 01 47:15:66 TRACK 22 AUDIO INDEX 01 47:48:02 Thanks for your help!

		lordofduct	Oct 4, 2004
		ISO... no, thats how ive written up and fixed many of my bin cue sheets. i only use BIN

		M3d10n	Oct 5, 2004
		Get youself a virtual CD drive software, like Daemon tools or Alcohol, and you can test adding/removing gaps like there's no tomorrow (such apps allow you to load cuesheets). That way you'll find the problem pretty quickly, without having to burn a CD every single time.