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E Nice - Sep 13, 2002

		E Nice		Sep 13, 2002
			I'm not a tech expert by any means, maybe someone can read this and see if it would be possible using this burner to re-create the copyright text that appears around the edges of Saturn games. http://www.bjorn3d.com/_preview.php?articleID=45...

		Taelon		Sep 13, 2002
			I'm actually gonna have a heart and give you a response... IT IS NOT POSSIBLE AND NEVER WILL BE. THE COPYRIGHT PROTECTION ON SATURN GAME DISCS CANNOT BE DUPLICATED BY ANY BRAND/MODEL OF CONSUMER CD RECORDER, PERIOD. The latest crop of recorders can only "write" patterns to the *unused* portion of a CDR disc that appear to the human eye as text and graphics. This has nothing to do with recording actual, computer-readable data. Can we please be done with this rumor once and for all?

		nights000		Sep 14, 2002
			from the info on the site he pointed to it looks as if it could be possible the original copy ring wasnt data it was just writting wasnt it if so you just need to get the writting looking the same and add a dummy file to push the ring right to the edge of the disc so in effect you would have recreated the copyright ring. i mighht be completely wrong but still worth a try.

		mal		Sep 14, 2002
			Feel free to buy one of those burners, work out how to read the ring and then how to burn it back in the right place. Until someone puts some effort into this, discussion like this will remain pointless. I don't believe it would work anyway, but feel free to prove me wrong.

		Taelon		Sep 14, 2002
			** SIGH **

		computolio		Sep 14, 2002
			The Saturn copy-protection ring defeated the efforts of DOZENS if not HUNDREDS of the 1337-est Asian software pirates back in the day. The fact that you STILL need a modchip to play Hong Kong Silvers should tell you something. They couldn't get past it and they had access to ACTUAL PROFESSIONAL CD MANUFACTURING FACILITIES and probably even electron microscopes. Plus you know they reverse-engineered the whole thing to hell and back. Whatever the heck Sega buried in there obviously doesn't resemble anything you'd see on an ordinary CD. It's way different than the traditional method of "legitimately bad sector" copy-protection. I don't deny that it would be neat to find out just what that ring contains- but I seriously doubt that any CD-R can duplicate it. -duncan

		kx4		Sep 15, 2002
			My burner can burn the rings and all sortsa funky shit+even picture designs and text into the discs but they still need a mod chip no matter how real they look.

		supersaturn		Sep 15, 2002
			how bout spending $20 on a mod-chip

		ExCyber		Sep 15, 2002
			The bottom line is this: until someone figures out how to READ the ring, we have no viable information as to the difficulty of writing it.

		mal		Sep 16, 2002
			Couldn't you just scan it? ::

		Taelon		Sep 16, 2002
			Scan it, huh? Well, when I put a CD in my flatbed scanner, all I get are those ugly moire patterns. ;-)

		SegaSaturnDDR		Sep 16, 2002
			why would you buy an expensive burner to copy games when mods are so cheap, even having it installed is cheaper than a new burner.

		Taelon		Sep 16, 2002
			Damn right!