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  RockinB May 2, 2005
C4 - 2005 & 2006 discussion

EDIT:

The C4 - 2006 discussion started later in this thread:

The C4 - 2005 discussion started right here:

What about a new Saturn coding contest

to give birth to new homebrew releases,

to bring new devvers to the Saturn scene,

to gain more publicity for Saturn dev?

Should it be a Saturn or SEGA console only contest here at segaXtreme or

should we try to convince other popular multi console contests to take Saturn entries?

Well, starting Saturn dev might not be easy, so it would need some good prices to win and even better n00b tutorials.

I would like to donate some prices: :smash

SEGA Saturn, Genesis and Game Gear consoles and possibly some games.

(but I can't effort to give away titles like Panzer Dragoon Saga... )

Furthermore I would like to work on tutorials and some sort of DCFreeDev for Saturn dev.

Such an all-in-one installer which quickly brings new devvers to a compiled example would be great!

I'd love to see new Saturn homebrew releases....

Edited by Amon:

Please note that I have duplicated this thread for c4 2007 and deleted all the previous stuff in it. You can find it here http://forums.segaxtreme.net/showthread.php?t=1603...

So please talk about 2007 there. I havent deleted the c4 2007 from this yet.

 Reinhart May 2, 2005
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whohoo new contest !!

Something like : submit a card game or a demo (like PC demo)

IMO, it should be Saturn only and we should convince as many people as possible.

 vreuzon May 2, 2005
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If you set up another contest, I give an entry.

But :


  
	
	

		
		

			IMO, it should be Saturn only and we should convince as many people as possible.


Sure, but how ? Are there any saturn developper outside of this board ? I also believe non-developpers are not interested. Do you remember how many members of this board did vote for the last contest ? And the former contest page does not even work anymore !

( http://segaxtreme.com/DEVELOPER/CONTEST/index.html... )

 vbt May 2, 2005
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			Originally posted by vreuzon@Tue, 2005-05-03 @ 02:13 PM



 Do you remember how many members of this board did vote for the last contest ? And the former contest page does not even work anymore !



( http://segaxtreme.com/DEVELOPER/CONTEST/index.html... )




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The right link is here http://segaxtreme.com/Developer/CONTEST/index.html...

where did you find this link ? I will correct links one by one in the Saturn programs section

 slinga May 2, 2005
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I'll enter too, just give a lot of time for development.

 vreuzon May 2, 2005
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			Originally posted by vbt@Tue, 2005-05-03 @ 02:40 PM



The right link is here http://segaxtreme.com/Developer/CONTEST/index.html...



where did you find this link ? I will correct links one by one in the Saturn programs section




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The rockin' B has this link on his site

http://www.phantasy-star-universe.com/DEVE...TEST/...

which neither works now. It must have been changed in between.

slinga : How many months do you need ?

 slinga May 3, 2005
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I'd prefer atleast 3 or so months. But then again majority rules, if the rest of you guys prefer a longer or shorter timeframe let me know. I'll just pick a easier project.

 RockinB May 5, 2005
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Thanks for your support slinga, vreuzon and Reinhart!

Time frame:

Gamers like to play stuff around christmas, so we should focus the contest to close at 31. November 2005 for now.

It should be officially announced and started when preparations

(easy saturn dev package, some small and simple examples, contest webpage, splash screens) are finished,

so let's say 1st June, or more likely 1st July 2005.

Contest name/title:

some suggestions:

segaXtreme Saturn coding contest 2005 (SX-SCC 2005)

Saturn coding contest 2005

edit:

Classic Console Coding Contest 2005 (C4 2005)

(I'm somewhat excited about this "explosive" title)

What's your opinion?

If we agreed to a title, I'll start asking people to create splash screens for the games/demos.

Webpage:

I've asked IceMan2k if we could host the contest website at SX and

if we could get a special contest forum such that each entry got it's own WIP topic.

Still have to wait for his reply.

As an alternative(addition) I've been very impressed by Mr. Saturn's Sega Developers Crew webpage

which he created along the last contest.

I think he could possibly create a similar webpage which suits our needs even better than the forum topic approach alone.

I'll ask him what he thinks about this.

Support:

I think we can/will get some support by others with the contest

like prices, publicity, splashscreens.

Well I have to care about my GP32 entry for the GBAX(closes May 31st), too,

but I will try to make a package of Dev-Cpp + SGL + SBL + KPIT GNUSH GCC + coding examples. If it goes fine, I'll switch from COFF to ELF object format.

BTW: what about an entry of you Piratero and Omni?

 vbt May 6, 2005
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I'm interested too

 vreuzon May 8, 2005
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			Gamers like to play stuff around christmas, so we should focus the contest to close at 31. November 2005 for now.


Fine for me.


  
	
	

		
		

			I will try to make a package of Dev-Cpp + SGL + SBL + KPIT GNUSH GCC + coding examples.


Very good if you manage to pack it. Don't forget mkisofs and some small free tools like TOSS.

Do you need us to set up a list of the tools we use ?

 Omni May 8, 2005
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I am so nowhere near any point where I can code anything useful for the Saturn. I haven't given up completely though, and my school year ends in about two weeks, so I will experiment again soon. I wouldn't count on my entering a contest, though...

 madmalkav May 11, 2005
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Rather than a contest, I will set up a "petition system". For example, "I will donate $20USD to the person that ports MEKA to Saturn with sound and a good framerate".

Other persons that will also like to see that can make aditional offers, and coders then can both take a project they know it will be appreciated and get some money/games/peripherals/whatever...

What do you think about people?

 Omni May 11, 2005
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Sounds like some kind of mercenary system. Taking on risky programming jobs with pay for the Saturn community, I mean.

 RockinB May 11, 2005
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			Originally posted by madmalkav@Thu, 2005-05-12 @ 11:11 AM



Rather than a contest, I will set up a "petition system". For example, "I will donate $20USD to the person that ports MEKA to Saturn with sound and a good framerate".




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Yeah, I've thought about that, even considered the reverse method: I offer doing ??? for getting ? in return.

But such stuff lacks the competition that's going on in a contest and it restricts the developer very much. The problem would be to find someone who does the job.

I could image you combining this with the contest, something like: you give your price to that entry which is the most enjoyable for you.

Anyway, back to the contest.

Sponsoring:

I'm trying to find a sponsor who donates prices.

If I find one, the contest can and must be NOT Saturn only. If no sponsor can be found, it'll be Saturn only.

SaturnOrbit:

The easy Saturn dev all-in-one package will be called

SaturnOrbit.

I've setup a whole COFF and ELF toolchain, configured Dev-Cpp for these two compilers, adapted and recompiled every SGL example(well, except BIPLANE),

made some template for Dev-Cpp(but this mechanism to start a new project isn't as easy as I'd like it to be) and added a bunch of dev tools.

Currently my PC is compiling an installer setup file for the whole stuff.

I will try it out on a friends computer.

Here is some of it's content:

(in case you miss a tool, raise your voice)

Code: 
  
 Verzeichnis von C:\SaturnOrbit

12.05.2005 18:06       .

12.05.2005 18:06       ..

10.05.2005 13:45       bin

10.05.2005 16:51        485 coff2elf_err.txt

12.05.2005 16:59       COMMON

09.02.2002 07:32      18.581 copying.txt

22.02.2005 18:22      964.096 devcpp.exe

12.05.2005 09:51       8.687 devcpp.ini

12.05.2005 10:09       EMU

10.05.2005 13:45       Examples

12.05.2005 13:40       FAQ_DOC_TUTORIAL

12.05.2005 10:37       GNUSH_COFF

15.02.2005 14:04       GNUSH_ELF

10.05.2005 13:45       Help

10.05.2005 13:45       Icons

12.05.2005 14:57       INSTALLER

10.05.2005 13:57       Lang

03.12.2004 19:15      10.807 NEWS.txt

10.05.2005 13:45       Packages

20.02.2005 00:04      380.928 Packman.exe

20.02.2005 00:04      697.941 Packman.map

12.05.2005 13:41       RB

12.05.2005 14:46        766 Satourne v1.1P.exe.lnk

12.05.2005 18:06         0 SaturnOrbit.txt

10.05.2005 13:57       SBL_601

12.05.2005 17:32        879 SETENV_COFF.BAT

12.05.2005 17:32        871 SETENV_ELF.BAT

10.05.2005 14:00       SGL_302j

11.05.2005 18:31       Templates

12.05.2005 14:02       test

12.05.2005 10:35       TOOLS

10.05.2005 13:57      72.876 uninstall_devcpp.exe

       12 Datei(en)   2.156.917 Bytes

       20 Verzeichnis(se)

Code: 
  
 Verzeichnis von C:\SaturnOrbit\TOOLS

12.05.2005 18:07       .

12.05.2005 18:07       ..

11.10.1999 05:53      303.104 3DTO3D.EXE

11.05.2005 17:44       BGCON

18.09.2000 16:30      32.768 bin2c.exe

19.08.2001 16:45      20.579 bin2c.zip

12.04.1999 12:15      236.032 BINChunker.exe

01.02.1999 01:04      195.938 BUILDCD.EXE

18.11.2002 18:47      669.967 cdr39b-e.exe

21.02.2002 09:21      185.986 commslnk.rar

18.06.2004 20:59     1.126.281 Cygwin1.dll

04.10.1994 01:00      87.836 DSPASM.EXE

04.10.1994 01:11      132.087 DSPSIM.EXE

18.06.2004 20:59      407.040 mkisofs.exe

21.02.2002 08:53      59.027 parlink051.zip

13.05.2000 15:17       7.538 PCXTOSAT.CPP

14.05.2000 17:14      36.864 PCXTOSAT.EXE

14.05.2000 17:23       1.004 PCXTOSAT.TXT

04.08.2000 15:21      161.939 PCXTOSAT_BITMDEMO.ZIP

10.02.2005 17:42      366.647 RB_SaturnDXF.exe

10.02.2005 17:38       4.221 RB_SaturnDXF.txt

11.03.2005 12:41      49.216 RB_SaturnPCM.exe

11.03.2005 12:43       3.069 RB_SaturnPCM.txt

05.03.2002 02:26      282.624 satcconv.exe

17.03.2002 02:25       1.617 satcconv.txt

11.01.2002 18:31       7.807 satconv.c

04.10.2000 19:14      28.048 satconv.exe

04.10.2000 18:45       3.382 satconv.txt

11.01.2002 18:31      18.353 satconv_LICENSE.txt

12.05.2005 18:07         0 SaturnOrbit_TOOLS.txt

06.08.2002 18:21      57.344 SegaCueMaker.exe

24.07.2000 17:41      25.831 SH2D.C

24.07.2000 17:42      48.280 SH2D.EXE

24.07.2000 17:42      40.960 SH2D32.EXE

24.07.2000 17:36       4.604 SH2DIS.TXT

14.10.2000 10:42      11.884 Sscg.exe

14.10.2000 10:42        454 Sscge.txt

14.05.2000 17:16       3.449 SSCONV.CPP

14.05.2000 17:17      32.768 SSCONV.EXE

14.05.2000 17:17       1.129 SSCONV.TXT

17.02.1999 20:19      19.456 ssfexe.exe

10.11.1998 00:51      27.424 SSLINK.EXE

10.11.1998 18:18       1.608 SSLINK_ENVIRON.TXT

10.11.1998 18:39       4.879 SSLINK_PAR_LINK.TXT

12.05.2005 10:05       SSSDK

01.02.1999 01:04      52.375 stripiso.exe

01.03.1999 14:10      190.976 toss.exe

02.03.1999 11:06        698 TOSS.txt

       44 Datei(en)   4.953.093 Bytes

        4 Verzeichnis(se)

Well, as I wrote in another topic the ELF toolchain makes problems.

Compiled SGL binaries crash in emulators, because (I think) the conversion of the SGL from COFF to ELF isn't correct.

The SBL is just included, I only tried compiling easy stuff, but when it comes to AWK and GASM, I stopped for now.

 Omni May 12, 2005
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That is a very interesting package. I would very much appreciate something like that -- esp. the Tools collection.

 Reinhart May 12, 2005
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SaturnOrbit is godgift !

Can't wait to install it

 RockinB May 13, 2005
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I tried installing SaturnOrbit on a Win98 PC and compiling the examples worked right from the start!

Well, I almost forgot the problems with batch files on Win98.

None of my batch files are working on Win98, because of the lack of environment memory(even if setting everything to max). Satourne needed a reconfiguration, too. I guess that's because of the restriction to 8.3 filenames.

BTW: Is there any more stable Satourne version than 1.1p?

What about including the duck video devkit? I don't have it, all I remember is that it's been a huge download.

SaturnOrbit currently got over 70 ready to build examples, 400 MB uncompressed size and the download will approximately be 50-60 MB(much less than DCFreeDev).

Anyone interested to host the download?

 vbt May 13, 2005
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			Originally posted by Rockin'-B@Sat, 2005-05-14 @ 10:31 AM



Anyone interested to host the download?




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Me and my 1Go at free.fr

 vreuzon May 15, 2005
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			Originally posted by madmalkav@Thu, 2005-05-12 @ 12:11 PM



Rather than a contest, I will set up a "petition system". For example, "I will donate $20USD to the person that ports MEKA to Saturn with sound and a good framerate".




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I'm not interested at all.

As for a non saturn only contest : not interested. I would much prefere a contest without price.

Rockin'b : Good. I'll try your installer to see if something is wrong or missing.

 RockinB May 15, 2005
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			Originally posted by vbt+Sat, 2005-05-14 @ 09:09 AM-->
QUOTE(vbt @ Sat, 2005-05-14 @ 09:09 AM)
Me and my 1Go at free.fr 
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[/b]



That's good , I don't got much webspace with my provider.


  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by vreuzon@Mon, 2005-05-16 @ 09:48 AM



Rockin'b : Good. I'll try your installer to see if something is wrong or missing.




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Yeah, I'll have a version uploaded before announcing it officially. Just in case, cause I can't test all binaries alone.

But it'll take another 1-2 weeks, as I got 2 pages with ToDo notes.

BTW: the page of bart trzynadlowski is offline

his page...

www.trzy.org/saturn/+Bart+Trzynadlowski]google... cache[/url]

I can't find s68db000.zip and all his stuff on my HDD anymore. Anyone could send it to me?