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Ratamahatta - Jun 22, 2002

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  cww80 Jun 26, 2002
Quote Zero 9:

Most of the multi console games coming out are going to be on Xbox first, simply because PS2 graphics jsut don't cut it on Xbox.

Quote Zero 9:

What does it matter what the controller looks like? It's how well it works playing games. And it does this well, after about hte first 5 minutes you use it, you forget thay you're holding a controller in the first place.

Quote Zero 9:

I don't think I need to mention that the "Japanese" controller is also out in the US, and there are several licensed 3rd party controllers?

Yeah didnt Metal Gear Solid 2 and Silent Hill come out first on PS2,first...The Xbox controller is without question one of the worst game controllers ever..the face buttons are way to close together,not to mention its bulky and heavy(as far as game controllers go)how you can think its a good controller is beyond me(its probably blind loyalty)you shouldnt have to wait for a better controller to come out...nor should you have to buy 3rd party controllers...if M$ had done their research and designed a better controller to begin with this wouldnt be an issue now...would it


  Arakon Jun 26, 2002
I'm impressed that you managed to fill NINE fucking pages full of garbage system wars.

I've taken apart plenty of systems, and owned all of the below or still own them.

my views:

- dreamcast is a great system, good amount of great games, died due to shitty marketing. good hardware overall, well planned and good quality components.

controller is pretty mixed.. shitty d-pad, analog stick is slippery for people with moist hands when playing. otherwise good fit, good buttons.

- ps2 is a hardware-wise very poor and old system, with the dvd drive being of extremely low quality. high failure rate there.

of course it has more games, but that's cause it's nearly 3 damn years old. games range from absolutely awesome to total shit, with a huge amount of shit games (just like PSX.. how many out of over 2000 games can be truly good?). Sold mostly with hype, not actual quality (hardware-wise). good games came later. too damn many companies pumping out games for it.

Controller is quite good, the only one with a decent d-pad (talking ONLY current-gen systems. saturn pad owns them all).

L1+L2+R1+R2 combinations cause major finger cramps, tho.

- xbox is VERY new on the market (as in, the local newbie). it's the ultimate hacker system, mame-x and upcoming snes and genesis emus rock, along with the divx player. the games range from absolutely awesome (rallisport challenge and halo) to absolutely shit. somewhat large amount of shit games. good hardware, except for the shitty quality of the mainboard.

the cheapest system on the market now, considering what it offers (especially in USA. europe still pays ~280 USD).

Controller is surprisingly good, once you got used to it. D-pad is so-so, buttons rather sucky, but very good for racing and FPS.

- gamecube is hardware wise a very nice system, good graphics abilities, totally shitty hacking/homebrewn abilities. a handful of quite good games.. unfortunately, a handful of games overall. nearly nothing to offer after you beat the current set of games (which doesn't take all that long). same mistake as n64 there, just that the hardware is good this time around. few expansion possibilities, and nintendo seems to be sleeping.. they gotta bring out modem/BBA and other extensions ASAP.

awesome controller, except for the d-pad, which belongs on a GBA, not console controller. very smooth fit, good analog buttons. most likely total hell for fighting games, tho.

I'm off to play Metal Slug on my xbox.

 gamefoo21 Jun 26, 2002
arakon i am amazed that you can just simply wrap this entire thread up in one post good job. do you know if its possible to pop out the p3 thats in it and toss in a faster one just to keep it running cooler?

 cww80 Jun 26, 2002
Quote Arakon:

- ps2 is a hardware-wise very poor and old system, with the dvd drive being of extremely low quality. high failure rate there.

of course it has more games, but that's cause it's nearly 3 damn years old. games range from absolutely awesome to total shit, with a huge amount of shit games (just like PSX.. how many out of over 2000 games can be truly good?). Sold mostly with hype, not actual quality (hardware-wise). good games came later. too damn many companies pumping out games for it.

Controller is quite good, the only one with a decent d-pad (talking ONLY current-gen systems. saturn pad owns them all).

L1+L2+R1+R2 combinations cause major finger cramps, tho.

Quote Arakon:

- xbox is VERY new on the market (as in, the local newbie). it's the ultimate hacker system, mame-x and upcoming snes and genesis emus rock, along with the divx player. the games range from absolutely awesome (rallisport challenge and halo) to absolutely shit. somewhat large amount of shit games. good hardware, except for the shitty quality of the mainboard.

the cheapest system on the market now, considering what it offers (especially in USA. europe still pays ~280 USD).

Controller is surprisingly good, once you got used to it. D-pad is so-so, buttons rather sucky, but very good for racing and FPS.

first off...the Playstation 2 is only a little over 2years old...it launched in japan march 4th 2000...it wont be 2 till october in the us...ive never had a single problem with my ps2...yeah the xbox was hyped and its still not selling well...like i said earlier if theres crap games you can just avoid them...i do agree with you that the saturn controller owns all other game controllers...what do i care if xbox will be able to play snes or genesis games...i already have emulators on my computer theres no need for it...and the controller is just awful...youd think with all that money M$ would be able to design a good controller...

 cww80 Jun 26, 2002

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by gamefoo21@June 26 2002,19:37



arakon i am amazed that you can just simply wrap this entire thread up in one post good job. do you know if its possible to pop out the p3 thats in it and toss in a faster one just to keep it running cooler?


would you like Arakon to bend over...

 gamefoo21 Jun 26, 2002
Ps2 = overpriced, overhyped, outdated, money maker.

Xbox = underpriced, hyped, brandnew, ms.

its true microsoft is loosing money on the xbox itself thats why accessories and games are expensive. when it first came out ms was loosing 50 bucks a pop on them and then they dropped there price by 100. sony is raking in the cash cause it prolly only costs them 50 bucks to slap a Ps2 together. I would take Xbox over Ps2 cause there will be a Ps2 emu for Xbox sooner or later. But i really want a GC don't ask me why but i do i just love it i rented it, one fun little thing.

 cww80 Jun 26, 2002

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by gamefoo21@June 26 2002,20:10



Ps2 = overpriced, overhyped, outdated, money maker.



Xbox = underpriced, hyped, brandnew, ms.



its true microsoft is loosing money on the xbox itself thats why accessories and games are expensive. when it first came out ms was loosing 50 bucks a pop on them and then they dropped there price by 100. sony is raking in the cash cause it prolly only costs them 50 bucks to slap a Ps2 together. I would take Xbox over Ps2 cause there will be a Ps2 emu for Xbox sooner or later. But i really want a GC don't ask me why but i do i just love it i rented it, one fun little thing.


it wouldnt be possible to emulate the PS2 on the Xbox...M$ will get nowhere losing money on the Xbox...

 Zero 9 Jun 26, 2002

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by cww80+June 25 2002,17:59-->
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			Originally posted by Zero 9@June 26 2002,17:16




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			Originally posted by Zero 9@June 26 2002,20:28




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			Originally posted by Zero 9@June 26 2002,20:28