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Originally posted by gameboy900@Jul 31, 2003 @ 07:45 AM

Oh just wanted to tell you. I bought a 2500+ cpu and some REALLY high quality ram for my asus. I got the cpu overclocked to 3000+ speeds and my fsb at 205mhz. Getting over 17000 in 3dmark2001 and 5600 in 3dmark 2003. My ram speed alone got an extra 50% over what I was getting with my 2400+.

Originally posted by Gallstaff@Aug 2, 2003 @ 03:06 AM

Oh also will any two sticks of the same ram work for duel channel if i get a board which supports it or do they have to be special?

Originally posted by gameboy900@Aug 1, 2003 @ 10:51 AM

The ram cost me $260 CAD (or about $185 USD). And I was able to afford all this because I:

a. finished school and have no debt to pay for loans (since I never took any)

b. I (sadly) live with my parents so I have no rent or food costs

c. I have a job

d. my only expenses are the $25 a month for my cell phone and whatever I spend on gas for my car

Oh and just for good measure here are my full pc specs.

- Athlon XP 2500+ 1.8Ghz (OC'd to 2.15 Ghz)

- Thermaltake Volcano 9 fan/heatsink

- OCZ Dual EL 3500 2x 256MB Ram (two specially selected sticks to provide better performance in dual channel mode)

- Asus A7N8X Deluxe Rev. 1.04 (stock heatsink on northbridge replaced by Thermaltake Crystal Orb fan/heatsink)

- Ati Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB

- Maxtor 120GB 7200RPM ATA133

- LG 16x10x40x CDRW

- Panasonic 8x DVD

- Aver TV/FM 98 Stereo (tv tunner card)

- Generic 3.5" floppy

- Arctic Silver 3 on all heatsinks

Externally I have:

- Sony Trinitron 17" 200ES monitor

- Logitech 640 5.1 speakers

- Generic keyboard

- Microsoft optical mouse (in classic design)

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		Gallstaff		Jul 28, 2003
			Meh screw it i dont even want it i realized it's only ata 100 with like not even a mb of cache. But I do have another question. I want to get a radeon 9500pro and OC it to 9700 speeds (you know modified drivers and stuff Ice told me about them) but the only place I have found them is on newegg. However the 9500pro on newegg is 200 dollars and ice informed me I could get it for around 150. Anyone know where I could get it for around this or at least less than 200? It can be oem or retail (preferably retail but I'm not gonna be picky) Any info would be greatly appreciated And if anyone thinks I shouldn't have mentioned the modified drivers please feel free to get rid of that part I just wanted to make sure people knew I wasn't gonna try to do any over the top solder jobs or anything.

		Alexvrb		Jul 29, 2003
			7200RPM (or slower) HDDs cant even reach sustained speeds of 100 MB/sec yet. The rotational speed and density of the drive are more important. If its a small, outdated 5400 RPM drive, I'd say screw it. But if its of any decent size, it'd at least make good storage. But yeah, doesn't really matter if you dont need it. As far as the "9500 to 9700" trick goes, I thought that was for the 9500 regular. See http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/200304...on_96... for details. The modified drivers reactivate the 4 disabled pipelines in the 9500 - the 9500 is an artificially gimped chip. 9600 is actually a true cut-down chip, so there is no similar trick. Check out http://www.omegacorner.com/... for more info. You could always OC in addition to using the Omega drivers, of course, but how far you can go all depends on the card and the cooling. Anyway, for prices you're not going to get a lot cheaper than that for a Pro model. Regular 9500s clock in at around 135-140, but the Pro models are getting pricey.

		Gallstaff		Jul 29, 2003
			Wait are you sure about it being the 9500 that OC's? Cause i'm lookin at these specs and I'm kinda worried. The 9700 is obviously beating all of them but the ardeon 9600 PRO seems to be beating the 9500 series in some tests. So yeah you sure about that cause i was pretty sure it was the pro

		Alexvrb		Jul 30, 2003
			Its not about OCing. Perhaps you didn't get exactly what I meant. I'm saying that the 9500 has 8 pipelines just like the 9700 (though its not clocked as fast, I don't think), but that 4 of them are deactivated, and can be reactivated. The 9600 and 9600 Pro are great overclockers, but they have no such hack. They have 4 physical pipes, there's nothing to reactivate. The 9500 Pro may also have the same situation as the 9500 regular, I'm not sure. It probably does, meaning both 9500 cards probably have 8 pipes with 4 deactivated by default. The 9500 Pro is clocked higher, so it'll outperform the regular 9500, but its getting hard to get 9500 Pro now. It costs a decent chunk. You should be able to get a 9500 regular for fairly cheap, use the modified drivers, and then if you want you could overclock a bit it on top of that. So even though the 9600 models overclock better (produced on a smaller process, i think 0.13 microns), a 9500 with the Omega drivers will perform better.

		Gallstaff		Jul 31, 2003
			I just ordred a 9500 pro off newegg. Kinda funny story. THey just got the pro back in stock so i throw it in my cart. Then as i'm cashing out JUST as i'm about to press check out or whatever there's a red message above the processor section of my cart which says "we're sorry the amd athlon xp 2500+ is sold out" argh and i was just cashing out too...hell

		gameboy900		Jul 31, 2003
			Oh just wanted to tell you. I bought a 2500+ cpu and some REALLY high quality ram for my asus. I got the cpu overclocked to 3000+ speeds and my fsb at 205mhz. Getting over 17000 in 3dmark2001 and 5600 in 3dmark 2003. My ram speed alone got an extra 50% over what I was getting with my 2400+.

		Curtis		Jul 31, 2003
			That sounds sweet! What G/C are you using to get those scores? I'd guess it would have to be a 9700Pro, or FX5800 at least...

		gameboy900		Jul 31, 2003
			I'm using the Radeon 9800 Pro and the ram is this... stuff. Oh and the CPU is overclocked running with a regular Thermaltake Volcano 9 heatsink at about 4000RPM.

		Gallstaff		Aug 1, 2003
			HOw much was the ram and how the hell did you afford a 98 pro?

		gameboy900		Aug 1, 2003
			The ram cost me $260 CAD (or about $185 USD). And I was able to afford all this because I: a. finished school and have no debt to pay for loans (since I never took any) b. I (sadly) live with my parents so I have no rent or food costs c. I have a job d. my only expenses are the $25 a month for my cell phone and whatever I spend on gas for my car Oh and just for good measure here are my full pc specs. - Athlon XP 2500+ 1.8Ghz (OC'd to 2.15 Ghz) - Thermaltake Volcano 9 fan/heatsink - OCZ Dual EL 3500 2x 256MB Ram (two specially selected sticks to provide better performance in dual channel mode) - Asus A7N8X Deluxe Rev. 1.04 (stock heatsink on northbridge replaced by Thermaltake Crystal Orb fan/heatsink) - Ati Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB - Maxtor 120GB 7200RPM ATA133 - LG 16x10x40x CDRW - Panasonic 8x DVD - Aver TV/FM 98 Stereo (tv tunner card) - Generic 3.5" floppy - Arctic Silver 3 on all heatsinks Externally I have: - Sony Trinitron 17" 200ES monitor - Logitech 640 5.1 speakers - Generic keyboard - Microsoft optical mouse (in classic design)

		Pearl Jammzz		Aug 3, 2003
			what's the dif strenghts and weaknesses of the 2?

		ExCyber		Aug 3, 2003
			Basically, -R/RW (read "dash", not "minus"; I feel like the +RW Alliance is insulting my intelligence or something) has a longer history, is officially recognized/supported by the DVD Forum, is designed for single-session writing, and seems to be more tightly controlled by its patent owners (I think Pioneer is the main one). +R/RW is supported by a motley crew of computer companies, is optimized a bit for consumer video applications, and the DVD Forum doesn't recognize it (and in fact actively disavows any association with it). The differences between the formats are smaller than most +R/RW promoters (there aren't really -R/RW promoters so much as there are users, because it's the incumbent) would have you believe, but it might be enough that +R/RW is noticeably better for VCR replacements.

		Pearl Jammzz		Aug 4, 2003
			so the only dif in the 2 is that +r/rw is better for putting your old vcr tapes onto dvds? One can't store more than the other? Can't burn/read at faster speeds? one more reliable? one can do sumthin the other can't?

		Gallstaff		Aug 2, 2003
			Oh also will any two sticks of the same ram work for duel channel if i get a board which supports it or do they have to be special?

		Gallstaff		Aug 2, 2003
			Ah akuma you have a dvd writer maybe you can help me. What are the different formats because i'm thinking of getting one but dont know where to start with the slashes and the + and the - it hurts to think. So do you know what the diff formats are and what the best dvd records are?

		gameboy900		Aug 3, 2003
			There are drives out now from Pioneer and Sony (probably others too) that do both DVD dash (DVD-R/RW) and DVD plus (DVD+R/RW). One of those two formats will eventually become standard so getting a combo drive will eliminate any problems for you. As for which one is the best....theres still a debate going on about that.