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| Lyzel - Mar 15, 2003 |
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DBOY | Mar 17, 2003 | |
| Yes, I saw it. That was incredibly disappointing. I knew it was coming, but it's still disappointing that the entire country can follow around a man with his head so far up his ass it's coming back out his mouth. It's extremely disappointing how nobody seems to really grasp that just declaring a war or taking "military action" does not change the fact you are murdering people. The Spartans may have thought it did when they declared their yearly war on the Helots, but I don't think we have a god of war absolving us of that sin. The people in Iraq are people. When you kill them you are killing people. It's not "collateral damage," it's not "necessary civilian casualties," it's people. But the most disturbing thing to me is, the people of the US don't realize that this action will put into motion more events that will invariably come back to bite America in the ass even harder. America is fucking over countries one by one. I imagine if the government we have now lasts another 100 years, there will be enough people of the world America has fucked over for the world to declare war on America. | |||
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Curtis | Mar 17, 2003 | ||
That is such a cop out.  Regardless of our discussions, the world is moving towards war. Are you all going to tune into George's speech in about 5 minutes? [/b][/quote] Yeah...I caught the tail end of it. Seems Bush is fervent about war if nothing else. I am most disappointed to see our own Government committing troops to action...fuck. The actions of today will backfire tomorrow on all countries involved - Australia does not have the resources to deal with any real terrorist threat. Fuck. <_< | ||||
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Lyzel | Mar 17, 2003 | |
| Get out of fantasy land, and get into reality people. Almost every nation and country has gone through wars, civil wars, etc. Hell, some are still at it right now. It is a fact of life. There will always be wars, anywhere in the world. So, stop acting like scared children living in a fantasy world where everyone is holding hands. | |||
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tsumake | Mar 17, 2003 | ||||||||
Yeah...I caught the tail end of it. Seems Bush is fervent about war if nothing else. I am most disappointed to see our own Government committing troops to action...fuck. The actions of today will backfire tomorrow on all countries involved - Australia does not have the resources to deal with any real terrorist threat. Fuck. <_< [/b][/quote] It might. Or it might make a lot of money for a lot countries, which is what this war and wars in general is about. A cop out, hmm? Perhaps it is. Perhaps I'm a coward. I just don't see the point of chasing my own tail anymore. | ||||||||||
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Lyzel | Mar 17, 2003 | ||||||||
Yeah...I caught the tail end of it. Seems Bush is fervent about war if nothing else. I am most disappointed to see our own Government committing troops to action...fuck. The actions of today will backfire tomorrow on all countries involved - Australia does not have the resources to deal with any real terrorist threat. Fuck. <_< [/b][/quote] Wow, you sound like a scared boy. If you sit on your ass now, it will come back later. So, what's so wrong with dealing with it straight-on? You want to let it get stronger??? I failed to see your logic. | ||||||||||
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DBOY | Mar 17, 2003 | ||
People like you cause problems like we have today. | ||||
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SkankinMonkey | Mar 17, 2003 | |
| War is stupid. The only reason you're so goddamn gung-ho about it is because it has never hit you at HOME. Thats right, if the UN decided that the US was a rogue nation today, and called for an allied invasion, you'd shit your pants. Why? Because the war would be at your door. The bombs would be killing your family. Not 10000 miles away, but 10 feet away. The US is a rogue nation, and one day it will have to account for this. I sincerely hope I live in another country when this time comes. | |||
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DBOY | Mar 17, 2003 | |
| I hope it's tomorrow. | |||
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SkankinMonkey | Mar 17, 2003 | ||
You're closer to the border than I am too. :agree | ||||
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DBOY | Mar 17, 2003 | |
| Yes, I could literally swim to Canada. Then I'll travel around holding anti-US demonstrations, burning flags, and trying to rally support for world war on the empire. | |||
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Lyzel | Mar 17, 2003 | ||
People like you cause problems like we have today. [/b][/quote] Well, people like you want to believe that there are no crimes in the world. It seems reasonable to deal with the problem now, than waiting for it to be worse later. That makes me a bad person?? No. I don't think the way you do. While you're hiding in a corner, hoping that everyone hold hands... I want to get rid of a problem before it becomes much worse than now. | ||||
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ExCyber | Mar 17, 2003 | ||
| I may be out of line here picking up your argument, Curtis; please feel free to unapologetically correct me if I am... I think his logic stems from the fact that Saddam is not the sole source of terrorism in the world, and that this war will almost certainly be perceived by at least a fanatical minority of Arabs as an intolerable act of aggression, which is likely to increase the risk of terrorist attacks against the states supporting it. You advocate "dealing with it straight-on", but terrorism doesn't claim natural resources or tracts of land - you can't throw lots of bombs at "it" to make "it" go away, because "it" is not an army or a government or an individual, "it" is a decision made by people who are willing to cross all moral boundaries to achieve their goals. Such attitudes are not vulnerable to weapons that cut, pierce, burn, or demolish. In the long run, a war against terrorism is a war to win hearts and minds, not land. It is a war to depose a harmful world view, not a self-serving dictator. By agressively attacking Iraq, we may win the war against Saddam. But without an exceptionally brilliant course of post-war action we may lose the greater battle. | ||||
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SkankinMonkey | Mar 17, 2003 | ||||||||
Well, people like you want to believe that there are no crimes in the world. It seems reasonable to deal with the problem now, than waiting for it to be worse later. That makes me a bad person?? No. I don't think the way you do. While you're hiding in a corner, hoping that everyone hold hands... I want to get rid of a problem before it becomes much worse than now. [/b][/quote] Read: I hate hippies? Grow up, peace isn't something the 'hippies' and younger generations want exclusively. It's goddamn common sense. You'd be suprised at the fact that the world will indeed still revolve on its axis even if someones not shooting at someone else in anger. | ||||||||||
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Lyzel | Mar 17, 2003 | ||
You should follow your own advise. This is a discussion board. You don't have to like my opinion. Right???  | ||||
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mal | Mar 17, 2003 | |
| I can't honestly see Saddam going into exile... So war is going to start some time after another 45 hours and John howard has committed Australian troops to the conflict (I bet the Iraqis are quaking at that). Has there been any word from Britain yet? | |||
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SkankinMonkey | Mar 17, 2003 | ||
You should follow your own advise. This is a discussion board. You don't have to like my opinion. Right??? [/b][/quote]I also don't like Hitlers opinion on the Jews, doesn't make his opinion any more valid does it? :smash | ||||
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