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Why I think War with Iraq Is justifiable
Lyzel - Mar 15, 2003

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  Lyzel Mar 16, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by antime@Mar 16, 2003 @ 05:11 PM



 The US knew Iraq was using chemical weapons years before that, and decided to continue giving them military support even after the 1988 gassings. All the info was available, but it didn't matter until the invasion of Kuwait. Just one of life's small coincidences, eh?


If I remember correctly, the US broke relationships with Iraq after those incidents. The United States realized what they were doing.

 FAKK2 Mar 16, 2003
WOW there is alot of liberal idiots in this world. Im surprised at how many stupid ass people are out there that dont think we should kill Sadam! Maby we should off all of the liberals next after the ragheads! hahahahahaha........................

 antime Mar 16, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Lyzel@Mar 16, 2003 @ 07:16 PM



 If I remember correctly, the US broke relationships with Iraq after those incidents. The United States realized what they were doing.


Nope, relations continued right until the invasion. But you're right in that the US realized what they were doing, in fact they knew it all along.

I know why the death of the Kurds was acceptable to the US, and I bet you know too. I'd just like you to explain it in such a way that you can express such shock and outrage today as to justify a war.

 schi0249 Mar 16, 2003
I have always found it interesting how we pick and chose which dictators we go after. Knowing many Cuban refugees, why are we not doing anything there? We all know about the atrocities the chinese gov't has committed, why are they a prefered trading partner? Hell, what about North Korea. They openly admit to building long range missles. They are going to have some that could strike the US west coast.

Sadam is an embarasment. The US created him, most likely as a pawn. And now we can not control him. So how do we respond, take him out. A different organization workes this way, the Mafia. And we put them in jail for it.

Do I think Sadam is a great guy. Hell. no. But I think its his people who need to fight back.

 Mr. Moustache Mar 16, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			That is such bullshit. At the speed Saddam has killed innocent people, America has killed less. America does not intentionally tries to kill civilians, like some countries has done.


:bs

Seems Lyzel has forgotten the only 2 times a nuclear weapon has been used in warfare... Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That has killed hundreds of thousands, even the ones that survived the blast died of radiation. And those who were lucky enough to survive suffered life long bouts with cancer and disease. And for all it's worth, no soldiers were killed during these attacks.

I think a lot of us here could easily go into more detail, such as economic sanctions, the well documented slaughter of surrendered troops in afghanistan, and of course the civilian deaeths I mentioned.

And I think the most ironic part of this entire conflict is the fact, yes fact(looks at Lyzel), is that the U.S. still has the sales records for all the biological agents that Sadam has ever obtained.

 mal Mar 16, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Lyzel@Mar 17, 2003 @ 04:09 AM



That's pretty sad... but you know what? If no one stops these sick people from raping women, etc, etc, it will continue. Just seeing atrocities like that, just reinforces my belief to do something, rather than picking my nose.


Whoops, there goes the point. Did you see it go by as you missed it?

Not one of those images or quotes refers to any actions taken by the Iraqis or Saddam Hussain, but many of them are about atrocities that the 'good guys' America and Britain have done.

 Curtis Mar 16, 2003
Lyzel, I don't want to have an all-out brawl with you.

What I'm trying to do is get you to understand that there is more than one side to this story. There is the US angle which you seem happy to inform us about, but it much more complicated than simply "Let's kill Saddam because he is evil, no matter what the final cost is". Saddam is probably evil. I don't know, I've never met the man.

If it wasn't for CNN you would not even know who Saddam is - you are only ever getting one side of the story

If you think the death of Saddam will mean the sudden revival of democracy and justice in a country like Iraq, then you need to think harder. There are other factions in Iraq - largely a tribal community - that would be as bad or worse than Saddam.

America seems to set these situations up. Saddam would not be alive today were it not for the information provided to him by the CIA in the 80's.

I'll do a bit of fortune telling myself here. In about 10 years time, the situation in Afganistan will blow up. Why? Because the US government persued a policy that involoved arming the tribal groups to fight the Taliban. Before too long, you might find yourself facing a situation similar to the one that lead up to Osama bin Laden's lot crashing planes into buildings. Remember - bin Laden was also once an ally of the United States.

 Lyzel Mar 16, 2003
No, your opinion is one sided. You think that your view is right. You know what? We are just going to have to agree to disagree.. Yes?

 Lyzel Mar 16, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by mal+Mar 16, 2003 @ 10:11 PM-->
QUOTE(mal @ Mar 16, 2003 @ 10:11 PM)
 
QUOTE(tsumake @ Mar 17, 2003 @ 04:06 PM)
Yes, these wars will lead to many civilian casualties. But I think showing those war pictures is a pretty low scare tactic. Pro-lifers and animal rights groups get guff for showing pictures of dead fetuses and slaughtered animals, and the action here seems hypocritical. [/b]



I'm disappointed that you see it that way.

The only reason I posted the link was because of Lyzel's very off hand comment:


  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Lyzel@Mar 16, 2003 @ 10:21 PM



As for civilian casualties, yes it will happen. Mistakes do happen after all. But I think that's part of the price to pay for freedom / indepence. Just like there are civil wars??


It's all well and good to dismiss civilian casualties when you don't have to see them and don't have to acknowledge them as human beings.

It was not meant as a scare tactic, I only intended to show that real people will be killed and injured rather than considering them as unfortunate mistakes or mere statistics.