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MasterAkumaMatata - Oct 19, 2005

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  RockinB Oct 24, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by crazygoat@Tue, 2005-10-25 @ 11:30 AM



i remember playing the genesis version of duke 3d i think tectoy from brazil made it when the genesis was in its final days lets just say it wasnt good : /




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Huh? Duke Nukem 3D for Genesis?

Seems to be true:

http://www.genesiscollective.com/ShowPage.php?Game...

I NEED THAT GAME :smash !

 crazygoat Oct 25, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Rockin'-B@Tue, 2005-10-25 @ 09:25 AM



Huh? Duke Nukem 3D for Genesis?



Seems to be true:



http://www.genesiscollective.com/ShowPage.php?Game...



I NEED THAT GAME :smash !




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id like it for my collection but be warned its not that good i played the rom and no i dont support iileagal roms but i saw it and was like duke 3d for gen WTF? like im sure u did rockin b

 Mask of Destiny Oct 25, 2005
The Genesis port of Doom was a hoax. The 68000 was a beast of a processor for it's day, but Doom is a bit much for it.

The Genesis Duke Nukem game is crap compared to the PC game, but it's pretty impressive for the Genesis. Compare it to Zero Tolerance for graphics. Duke Nukem has a bigger "3D" area on the screen and generally looks more impressive.

 it290 Oct 26, 2005
I dunno, ADoom (Amiga Doom port) runs (albeit quite slowly) on a 14mhz 68020, and that's with ceiling/floor textures, plus it has to do chunky to planar conversion. I think it could do okay on the Genesis, running as well as Duke3d at least.

 Mask of Destiny Oct 26, 2005
A 20MHz 68000 can do about 2 MIPS (according to freescale's site). A 20MHz 68020 can do about 6 MIPS (estimation based on 10 MIPS at 33MHz) so a 68020 is about 3 times as powerful as a 68000 at the same clock speed and a 14MHz 68020 runs at close to twice the clock of the 68000 in the Genesis putting us somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 times more powerful.

 it290 Oct 26, 2005
Even so, there's another Amiga game called Ambermoon that runs nice and smooth on an A500 using a wolf3d-type engine (again without floor and ceiling textures, you can turn these on for more powerful machines), although the 3d view is only about 1/3 of the screen. DOOM would certainly be more taxing with its non-90 degree walls and multiple levels of height, but I think it's still within the realm of possibility. Maybe not enjoyable as far as playability goes, but still possible. Now that I think of it, there was also an Amiga demo called TextDemo that IIRC ran smoothly on an A500 with stairs, ceilings, and floors, although for an A500 you'd need a reduced view area and pixel doubling turned on. Check it out here:

http://main.aminet.net/gfx/misc/TextDemo57.lha...

 Mask of Destiny Oct 26, 2005
Hmm. I loaded it up on WinUAE with the Match A500 Speed option checked (but with 68020 emulation since I've only got 3.0 ROMs on my computer at the moment) with 8MB of chip and ran like a dog and that was in a small box in the middle of the screen. This is what the readme says:


  
	
	

		
		

			The engine is targeted at the high-end machines. My goal is to



equal or surpass DOOM no matter what the costs (in terms of



memory or processor power). Although by lowering resolution and



screensize this engine can be run comfortably on 68020 machines,



a 68030 (or better) and some FastMem are highly recommended.


There's a big jump between Wolf3D class games (which the Genesis is clearly capable of doing given Duke3D) and Doom. I really doubt you could get a Doom-esque engine running at any reasonable speed on a stock Genesis.

 RockinB Oct 26, 2005
I think using the SEGA CD VDP for scaled and rotated sprites, cool FPS games should be possible.

BTW: are there any first person shooter games for SEGA CD? Or any other games using polygons except silpheed?

 MasterAkumaMatata Oct 26, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Rockin'-B@Thu, 2005-10-27 @ 01:50 AM



BTW: are there any first person shooter games for SEGA CD? Or any other games using polygons except silpheed?




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Battle Frenzy (a.k.a. Bloodshot)...

 RockinB Oct 26, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by MasterAkumaMatata@Thu, 2005-10-27 @ 06:23 AM



Battle Frenzy (a.k.a. Bloodshot)...




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I got that one for Genesis. An early review of the CD version stated, that it did not feature any speedup over the cartridge version. Framerate was it's biggest problem.

I tried Duke Nukem 3D for Genesis on emulator. It's better than I expected, much smoother and bigger screen than other games like this one. But regarding the levels, I can't see any similarity to the Duke Nukem 3D that I know from Saturn...

 it290 Oct 26, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Hmm. I loaded it up on WinUAE with the Match A500 Speed option checked (but with 68020 emulation since I've only got 3.0 ROMs on my computer at the moment) with 8MB of chip and ran like a dog and that was in a small box in the middle of the screen. This is what the readme says:


Hmm, I think there is a 2x2 pixel option (IIRC, haven't used tried that demo in a long time), that shoudl speed it up a fair amount. Also, not sure how accurately this is emulated, but chip mem is much slower than fast mem in an actual Amiga. I concede the point that it's crazy, I just don't think it's totally impossible.

 Kuta Oct 27, 2005
So why didn't they release this game on CD so they could fit the entire game on it?

 Mask of Destiny Oct 27, 2005
2 reasons

1. Not everyone who had a 32X had a Sega CD so it would limit the potential market

2. The 32X only has 256KB of program RAM and cannot directly access any of the RAM that comes with the Sega CD making a Doom port incredibly difficult.

 Shakey Jake33 Oct 27, 2005
Suprised at the lack of love for 32X Doom - it's the jewel in the 32X's crown. I still love it to this day, and has a very constant, if not particularly high, framerate that shows the Saturn game how it should be done.

A 32XCD version would have been top, providing developers with the storage space for more levels and higher resolution textures.

Shocking that the port doesn't use both CPU's though... reminds me of the Saturn port of Alien Trilogy.

Saturn game is attrocious. Such a jerky butchering of a game should never have seen the light of the day in the post-Exhumed era. Lobotomy's produce shows it for the attrocity is was.

 it290 Oct 27, 2005
I think the 'jewel' title would have to go to other games such as Virtua Fighter or Virtua Racing. I know those (along with MK2) get a lot more time in my 32X than DOOM does.

 fonzievoltonov Oct 27, 2005
If i remember correctly, Wolfenstein was planned for genesis... Too bad it never get relased.

I don't understand why there isn't any wolf on 32x... a quick port to get quick money was really attractive

So, no one confirm the segacd CPU is used in bloodshot on segacd to increase speed?

 stack99 Oct 27, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by RolfWrenWalsh@Thu, 2005-10-20 @ 04:05 AM



Whoo! Doom! :bow



One of the best games ever made bar none. So much fun! Though I never did get to play any deathmatch. 




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Great game still playin it today... awesome..

 Mask of Destiny Oct 28, 2005

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Shakey Jake33@Fri, 2005-10-28 @ 05:54 AM



Suprised at the lack of love for 32X Doom - it's the jewel in the 32X's crown. I still love it to this day, and has a very constant, if not particularly high, framerate that shows the Saturn game how it should be done.


Well compared to the PC version, the 32X version is pretty crappy. Certainly it's in the top tier of 32X games, but that doesn't say much for the 32X.


  
	
	

		
		

			A 32XCD version would have been top, providing developers with the storage space for more levels and higher resolution textures.


You definately would not have seen higher resolution textures on a 32XCD version. There just isn't enough RAM to go around. It's debatable whether there's enough RAM to make a working port at all.

 MasterAkumaMatata Oct 28, 2005
Wow, so much discussion on DOOM. I should have picked it sooner. :smash

 link343 Oct 29, 2005
Doom Movie #1 at the box office

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