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Gallstaff - Jul 5, 2003

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  Gallstaff Jul 8, 2003
Hm I searched for that board and it looks like it's exactly what I want. the only thing is how do I tell if it's the new 2.0?

 gameboy900 Jul 8, 2003
Well on the board where it says the name A7N8X (between the pci slots) it will also say in tiny letters Rev 2 or Rev 2.0. Asking the store should also be a good idea as would looking for it on the box itself where all the barcodes are.

 Gallstaff Jul 8, 2003
Well I plan to get all my parts off of the interent (mostly newegg.com) so is there a different name scheme for the revision?

 gameboy900 Jul 9, 2003
You just have to ask for the rev 2 board. And make it very clear that you are looking for the rev 2 board ONLY. No other way really.

 Alexvrb Jul 11, 2003
http://www.asus.com/news/2003/20030517.htm...

Sometimes they just upgrade the BIOS and make minor changes. I had a KT133A-based board that had like 3 "PCB revisions", but I had the same BIOS and same features/performance/etc as the two later revisions. The newer boards of course ship with a newer BIOS already installed.

So just go ahead and get the one from newegg and you'll be fine. Remember that the nForce boards are meant to be run with mem/fsb synced, so if you get a CPU that runs on a 333FSB, get the same memory (or set it to run the same, like setting 400Mhz DDR to run at 333). Running with a 333 FSB and 400Mhz memory is actually slower on the nForce 2. Also you'll want to have 2 memory sticks to run in dual-channel mode. Man, I'm getting jealous just thinking about it. I'll wait and see how Athlon64 + nForce 3 looks, by then I might have some money .

 Gallstaff Jul 11, 2003
I decided not to get an nforce board. Let me show you guys my 'shopping cart' and you decide.

ROUND, 10-Inch, Floppy drive cable. Booted, 2-Connector. ( BLUE ). Please see the image. more info>

N82E16812103013 $4.99

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Ultra ATA-133 IDE 36" 3H Round Cable Transparent Green RTLFor IDE Hard Drives, CD ROM, DVD ROM or CDRW,

ATA-40P connectors w/ pull tabs

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ROUND, 10-Inch, True ATA133, IDE, Color: RED specially shielded with Copper Aluminum Mesh covered with a clear tube. Cable for IDE Hard Drives, CD ROM, DVD ROM or CDRW, 2-Connector, 33/66/100/133, 10 Inches Long. With Clear Boot. Please see image for the actual look. more info>

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Controller, Panels, Add-On Cards, etc.

USB (2.0) PCI card, 5-Port(4 external + 1 Internal). With software. Retail. NO USB CABLE. more info>

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Fans, Heatsinks (Case, CPU, Chipset)

VANTEC AeroFlow VA4-C7040. For AMD socket A 462 and Intel 370/FC-PGA/FC-PGA2. Retail. Vantec Vertical Aluminum Fins with Copper Core Heat sink + T.M.D. fan, and triple clip for secure instalation.

Specifications:

Supported Socket type: Socket A/462 and Socket 370

Material: Aluminum with copper

Fan Speed: 5600 RPM

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Hard Drives

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Seek time: 9 msec

RPM:7200

Cache 2MB

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Memory (System Memory)

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Motherboards - AMD

MATSONIC MS8147C,VIA KT400 chipset for Socket A ATX motherboard

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Supported CPU:AMD® Athlon / Athlon XP / Duron processor

Chipset:VIA Apollo KT400 (VT8368/VT8235)

FSB:200/266/333 MHz

RAM:3x 184pin DDR 266/333/400 Max 3GB

IDE:2x ATA 66/100/133 up to 4 Devices

Slots:1x AGP 8X, 5x PCI 32-bit 2.2, and 1x CNR

Ports:2xPS2,2xCOM,1xLPT,4xUSB,1xRJ45 and Audio Ports

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Power Supplies

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Processors

AMD ATHLON XP 2500 "Barton" 333 FSB PROCESSOR CPU- OEM

Specifications:

CPU: 1.83 GHz

Type: XP 2500 Barton Core

Cache: 512K L2, 128K L1, Total 640KB

BUS: 333MHz

Socket A

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Sound Card

Creative Labs Sound Blaster Live! Dolby Digital 5.1 SB0220 - OEM

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Video Cards

GAINWARD GeForce 4, 8X AGP. Ti 4200, 3.6ns, 128MB DDR. VIVO, Power Pack. 1 DVI port + 1 CRT port + Video in Video Out (VIVO) + nVIEW (two monitors display) + one adapter for DVI to CRT + one multiple cable for VIVO, one DVD video editing software + one game CD + CD driver + manual. Retail. more info>

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I kno wit's a lot but i'd really apreciate your input. all I dont have is the case.

 Alexvrb Jul 12, 2003
A KT400 is significantly slower than an nForce 2. Your PSU is overkill (for your system), but that's not a terrible thing. SB live! isn't all that good. Drivers are terrible, and its not a good performer. By spending the extra 33 bucks on that, that's 33 bucks closer to that Asus board, and that had superior sound. Plus the extra USB PCI card you bought, you wouldn't need with the A7N8X deluxe, it has like 6 USB 2.0 ports. Your CPU cooler (AeroFlow), is a good model, but a waste unless you're planning on overclocking. A model like the "Speeze FalconRock CPU Fan Model 5F286B" is pretty quiet, and a good performer. Much cheaper too. Your CPU choice is fine. I'd go with a graphics card with less frills, a GF4 Ti 4200 is a respectable performer at a low price, but if you dont need the extras get a cheaper version. Unless, again, you plan on OCing that too.

All that said, there's nothing really wrong with your purchasing decision. You could buy all that and be happy (unless the SBL! causes trouble, hah, but it shouldn't). But I hope my input has been at least helpful, and maybe you'll think about it some.

 Gallstaff Jul 12, 2003
Yeah maybe I should try to cut down a bit. And I do plan on overclocking just because I can. That's why I have the fan. And uh I dont want the nforce because I dont want to have to make my ram speed lower just to match my fsb speed... I would have to match them right? If i get a stick of 400mhz ram i dont want to lower it to 333mhz because my fsb is.

 gameboy900 Jul 12, 2003
Actually no you don't have to sync them. You can have a faster ram clock then the fsb. That little sync problem has been dealt with a while ago in some bios update. Anywho you will not find a better performing mobo (overclocking or not) then the asus. If you look at just about every single tech site that does benchamarks on anything they will use the asus a7n8x deluxe as their test mobo (assuming they use an athlon system).

I also noticed you are getting the barton cpu. You may want to look at this... article to see what sort of overclocking these cpu's are capable of.

 Alexvrb Jul 12, 2003
No, everyone misunderstood me. I never said you COULDN'T run them async. I'm telling you that it would be faster if you didn't. Faster as a 333/333 than as a 333/400. Do you understand now? Don't think of it as a disadvantage, think of it as an advantage - you can run async like other boards, but if you run sync, you get a speed boost in most instances, and at the least dont lose any speed. On top of that, it means you can buy cheaper memory. Or perhaps, buy 333Mhz DDR, but get CL 2.0 - that will help performance even a bit more. Though that is most certainly overkill for your purposes.

 Gallstaff Jul 12, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by gameboy900@Jul 12, 2003 @ 09:23 PM



 I also noticed you are getting the barton cpu. You may want to look at this... article to see what sort of overclocking these cpu's are capable of.


WTF?! I can't make shit or crap of that can you sum it up for me I dont understand it at all the only reason I am getting the 2500 is because Ice told me to and I know he knows what the hell he's doing but uh... yeah. Wassat all mean?

 fivefeet8 Jul 13, 2003

  
	
	

		
		

			Originally posted by Gallstaff+Jul 12, 2003 @ 10:53 PM-->
QUOTE(Gallstaff @ Jul 12, 2003 @ 10:53 PM)