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Xavier - Sep 11, 2004

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 Dud Sep 12, 2004

  
	
	
Originally posted by mal@Sep 12, 2004 @ 10:32 PM

It's discussions like these that make me glad that I don't live in the good old US of A.


I feel sorry for you mal, you'll probably never feel the joy of a bloody knife-fight. :lol:

 it290 Sep 12, 2004

  
	
	
I know a police officer that had to take down a doberman pinscher, (a big dog, for those that aren't dog people) and it took 9 hits from his Baretta to take it down. Also taking into account that the average citizen isn't an olympic marksman, I'd say that an assault weapon has the advantage of only requiring 1 or 2 of its 30 bullets to take down its target. Compare that to the 10 or more bullets from the 8-18 bullets in a handgun magazine required to kill a human being.


Okay, first of all, you're saying it takes 10 bullets to kill a human being? That makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Especially since in your average break-in type scenario, you're going to be encountering someone at fairly close range. Secondly, why is it an advantage or at all necessary to kill someone with more ease? If someone breaks into your house, wouldn't you want to see if they're willing to surrender, or disable them (ie, shoot them in the leg or something) before you kill them outright? Your average handgun is already more than enough of a deterrent, IMHO. Most people will give up if they have a gun pointed at them.


  
	
	
You've got to start somewhere. If they have no felonies and don't know where to obtain a gun illegally (ie they aren't a gang member) then they are most likely someone that intends to commit only one crime, like kill their wife. If they couldn't buy a gun, they'd just use something else like a knife or a brick. In a situation like that wife is going to die, gun or not.



Perhaps, but nearly every gun on the black market was obtained legally by someone, and then sold to someone else illegally (or stolen by them, etc). If all these weapons were illegal to sell or possess, it would be much harder for anyone to obtain them in the first place, and so far fewer of them would end up in the hands of criminals.


  
	
	
I disagree, it is much harder to shoot someone that it is to slice them with a sword. There are several points on the human body that if cut, will cause the person to bleed to death in a matter of minutes without immediate medical attention.


It's much harder to shoot someone than it is to slice them with a sword? That's just ridiculous. In the first place, if anyone is close enough to be cut by someone wielding a sword, it's going to be very difficult to miss them with most firearms. Secondly, if you're coming at me with a sword, I can run away from you, whereas if you have a gun, you can shoot me in the back. If you're talking about, say, surprising one person and killing them with a sword, then I suppose you might have a point, but in a situation where a crowd is involved (which is what we were talking about), the majority are going to have much more of a chance to get away from someone with a sword.

 ExCyber Sep 12, 2004

  
	
	
I disagree, it is much harder to shoot someone that it is to slice them with a sword. There are several points on the human body that if cut, will cause the person to bleed to death in a matter of minutes without immediate medical attention.


Even if this is true, it assumes a successful strike. You've not really provided much of an argument that the tactical limitations of a gun substantially outweigh those of a sword in anything but scenarios within arm's length. In particular, without a huge amount of training it takes a lot less time to pull a trigger than to perform an effective sword strike (I'm not entirely sure, but I suspect that it's around a couple orders of magnitude difference for a sword capable of doing any real damage), to say nothing of strength - being able to effectively stop the strike is as important as being able to start it; if you don't do so the sword swings you, likely into a vulnerable position - and coordination.

 Alexvrb Sep 12, 2004

  
	
	
Originally posted by ExCyber+Sep 13, 2004 @ 02:45 AM-->
QUOTE(ExCyber @ Sep 13, 2004 @ 02:45 AM)
FYI, that argument isn't something that the Kerry campaign just pulled out of its collective ass, it's from the Brady Campaign...: [/b]



I don't care where the original argument came from, he's making it an issue to scare people. Some people will just suck his words up. The idea is that you have to meet certain requirements to buy a gun in the first place, such as being a law-abiding US citizen. I think people who buy firearms should have to pass competency tests with them, I think there are other restrictions that can (and sometimes are, depending on state) be applied here. But there's no reason to ban them. It won't stop people from obtaining them through other means.